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Re: Christ In Egypt: Introductory Remarks

Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 8:55 am
by geo
AlSylvester wrote:. . . What they found is how nature worked. All comes from a seed or egg type. They used an egg, it has all you need, and over a time period they perfected the matter. It took a 16 month process. It was done outside by what is found there.
I'm trying to follow this conversation, but I get lost in your posts. You keep talking about matter but obviously you have as different definition for it than the one I'm used to. Why don't you start a new thread and explain what you think alchemy is.

Re: Christ In Egypt: Introductory Remarks

Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 9:33 am
by geo
tat tvam asi wrote:Let's see, you are into alchemy and think the real Jesus was an alchemist.

Elton John is a homosexual and thinks that the real Jesus was a homosexual.

I knew a black preacher that was certain that the real Jesus was black.

Robert Tulip considers himself an astrotheology teacher and first began with the assertion that the real Jesus was a great astrotheology teacher.

This is a very common thing in society whereby every Tom, Dick, and Harry sees the real Jesus as a reflection of themselves. And essentially that's what such a solar personification avatar is meant to do. It's supposed to appeal to everyone in that vague sense which can be interpreted in a variety of ways to make people congregate around it.
The Bible is like that. It's such a mishmash you can pretty much interpret it to mean whatever you want. Just read the Malleus Maleficarum which is littered with Biblical quotes in service of its sole goal to prosecute witches.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malleus_Maleficarum

I came across this quote by Harold Bloom recently. Bloom is talking about literature, of course, but I think this applies to history and myth as well.

"The silliest way to defend the Western Canon is to insist that it incarnates all of the seven deadly moral virtues that make up our supposed range of normative values and democratic principles. This is palpably untrue...The West's greatest writers are subversive of all values, both ours and their own. Scholars who urge us to find the source of our morality and our politics in Plato, or in Isaiah, are out of touch with the social reality in which we live. If we read the Western Canon in order to form our social, political, or personal moral values, I firmly believe we will become monsters of selfishness and exploitation. To read in the service of any ideology is not, in my judgment, to read at all."

— Harold Bloom (The Western Canon: The Books and School of the Ages)

Re: Christ In Egypt: Introductory Remarks

Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 9:33 am
by tat tvam asi
A symbolist tour of Egypt:



And then "The Temple of Man" (Luxor) from Schwaller's Alchemist perspective:

Re: Christ In Egypt: Introductory Remarks

Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:02 pm
by Interbane
Hi Interbane,

Very simply as best as I understand it.
My questions are there for a reason. They represent areas I need more information to understand you. If you're going to post block-type paragraphs, at least copy/paste my question and offer a direct response in a new post. But geo is correct, this is the wrong post to discuss alchemy.

Re: Christ In Egypt: Introductory Remarks

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:36 pm
by AlSylvester
Hi Tat, if I may. Wondered if you had seen the film, "The Lost Tomb of the Jesus Family." I actually know a person tied to that film. They tried in every way to prove it was not the same family, but could not. everything has been checked as well as they could, it is that family. I learned a few things from that short movie. In the entrance to the tomb, was the "Eye of Horus' design. They tried to say that it was some sort of family emblem but it also was seen on the tomb of peter! Jesus also they said, carried the Tau Cross as a sign for his group of followers. I was surprised that the tomb was sealed by the govt. there. The excuse was that children could get hurt if it wasn't sealed. Isn't it funny, the whokle area is one big dig, but that had to be sealed! I also because of this same friend know that soometime this summer, some information is going to be realeased about that find that will get a lot of attention to say the least,. I don't know what it is just that it is about to happen. Now i try to see everything with an open mind. I see the find as being just what it apears, the Lost Tomb of that Family! I can't convince myself that it is just a coincidently find of a family with all the same names. Same gene pool in the persons there, Mary MagDelene, Jesus, a child of thiers, the list is quite long. I have even heard persons from the church discuss it and say things very important.

And so, how do you explain this find and film and closing of the Tomb to protect children? If you check to see who it was that did the film, and put the information out, they are not some "Tom Dick and Harry as you might describe." If the bones are there, and they are, how is that a myth?

Al

Re: Christ In Egypt: Introductory Remarks

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 1:49 pm
by tat tvam asi
Ok, so now you're referring to the "Naked Archaeologist" and his quest to prove a real Jesus, as credible proof for the historicity of Jesus? :lol: :lol: :lol:

LINK#1

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Re: Christ In Egypt: Introductory Remarks

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:19 pm
by tat tvam asi
Hi Tat, if I may. Wondered if you had seen the film, "The Lost Tomb of the Jesus Family." I actually know a person tied to that film. They tried in every way to prove it was not the same family, but could not. everything has been checked as well as they could, it is that family.
This thing was worked over by scholars long ago...
Jesus tomb film scholars backtrack
Apr. 11, 2007

Several prominent scholars who were interviewed in a bitterly contested documentary that suggests that Jesus and his family members were buried in a nondescript ancient Jerusalem burial cave have now revised their conclusions, including the statistician who claimed that the odds were 600:1 in favor of the tomb being the family burial cave of Jesus of Nazareth, a new study on the fallout from the popular documentary shows.

The dramatic clarifications, compiled by epigrapher Stephen Pfann of the University of the Holy Land in Jerusalem in a paper titled "Cracks in the Foundation: How the Lost Tomb of Jesus story is losing its scholarly support," come two months after the screening of The Lost Tomb of Christ that attracted widespread public interest, despite the concomitant scholarly ridicule.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite? ... e/ShowFull
And of course Murdock put out a blog about it:
DM Murdock wrote: http://tbknews.blogspot.com/2007/02/jes ... eally.html

"Moreover, one of the individuals in this newest scandal happens to have been involved in the James ossuary hoax. Hence, we could hardly consider this find to be any more credible than that one. We also must make note of the fact that the senior archaeologist on the pertinent excavation, Professor Amos Kloner, says of this fictionalized tale - the new "documentary" of which astoundingly includes famed director James Cameron - "It's a beautiful story but without any proof whatsoever."

As an aside and postscript, if Ray Santilli can be busted for the "Alien Autopsy" hoax, then James Cameron should likewise be found culpable for foisting this fraud upon an unsuspecting public. It rankles me to no end that, when it comes to religious tomfoolery, no one is held accountable for their fraudulent behavior."
So as it stands there remains no credible evidence whatsoever to concretize the historical existence of the gospel Jesus...

Re: Christ In Egypt: Introductory Remarks

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:57 pm
by AlSylvester
Hi Tat,

I mentioned when I started this why I wanted certain things to go on and not waste my time. Your a perfect example of what I was talking about. Answer me one thing. As it seems you also know Alchemy, in the Gospel of the Twelve of the Gnostic Gospels. where Jesus gives the desciples a "Bag of Powder " to cure the sick in the village in his name. Knowing as you must that all alchemists had a bag of powder, how do you define what is being done? Is that a miricle or is that a medicine that Jesus is using? If a medicine, do you think that it could be the same powder the Alchemists used. Also consider that it is made from an egg, that Mary MagDelene is tied to a Red Egg, as I noted the Alchemist and templars. Also that the color of the medicine or the Stone is a purple color, the same as the Robe of Jesus, that it is made by vapor from the sun, the same as that tied to Baptism, the list is endless! How do you dismiss these facts? Ide like to hear it.

Al

Re: Christ In Egypt: Introductory Remarks

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 9:15 pm
by tat tvam asi
Dismiss what facts? You haven't been giving me much in the way of facts. If this is a waste of your time then here's your hat and there's the door Al. Thank you and good evening...

Re: Christ In Egypt: Introductory Remarks

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 2:53 pm
by AlSylvester
Hi Tat, I have said a lot of things. You have kind of made a joke of everything I said. How would it be if I quote from the Gnostics, and you explain why what I am explaining is wrong? Lets start with something simple.

Jesus said, "When you make the One Two, the below like the above, the inner like the outer, the male and female into one, where neither is male or female, some information about multiplication, then you can enter the kingdom of heaven." This is not exact, but you understand. This is a copy of the ancient science of alchemy, the process of makeing the Philosophers Stone. It is the steps. Now I can show those steps, explain it and tie it to a very lot of information proving that this information is explainable that way.

Now you explain it. This is information buried the last 1800 years and so probably closer to the Truth than what you find in the Bible. That information (from the Bible) has been cleaned of the past. If you do not want to explain this, pick other information from the Gnostics and explain any of it. Surly you can do that. If you think this is not about alchemy, on the alchemy web site, there are at least 37 different series of alchemical material that explain this same process. Atalanta is a very good one, or those tablets of Abraham the jew, those of flamel, those of, well, most alchemists are there. W+hich would you like to explain I give you your choice. The shield of St. Thomas is rather easy, perhaps that one. Many here will be looking to your answer, so please lets move forward.
Al