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stahrwe wrote:

DWill wrote:stahwre, are you watching the "God in America" program? I'd be interested in your reaction (over in that thread). I also was wondering if you plan on following Wright through the Koran discussion. Would you have any of the same objections to Wright deconstructing the Koran as you have to him doing it to the Bible? And if not, why not?

I am not watching God in America. I have watched such programs before and find them less than accurate.

I will follow the discussion of the Koran but I am not knowledgeable about the Koran having only read it once so I suspect that Wright will get a free pass on it since I don't think there are any Muslims on BT.

Interbane wrote:

This is classic Turtle, when your arguments fail you resort to the irrelevant.

You left my arguments completely untouched and only criticized trivial, unrelated points. It doesn't matter if no one wins in "real" lotteries, that's completely irrelevant to my point. It doesn't matter if you refer to low odds as 1 in 200 or "unlikely". Saying that men were brutalized for being Christians serves no purpose. (Would YOU suddenly stop believing even if you were threatened with brutality?) You think your apoplectic replies when shown unequivocably to be wrong are cute.

You did absolutely nothing to any of my arguments, you just posted a bunch of garbage that touched on ancillary, non-critical points to make yourself feel better. It's not worthy of a reply from me. If that appears to you as turtling up, then so be it.

Let's suppose for a moment that Abram only thought he heard God's call to leave Ur and relocate to Palestine and to worship only Him.

Yes, let's start all our arguments with assumptions.

The age of the earth has nothing to do with this discussion except to serve as reassurance to you that you can dismiss my critique.

The age of the Earth has EVERYTHING to do with this discussion. You're appealing to parsimony to justify your methods of interpretation. What you fail to realize when discussing the motive that ancient scholars had for fabricating the bible, you're completely ignoring a required conclusion. If they did not fabricate the bible, most modern human knowledge is wrong. The age of the Earth is the most clear cut example. Dozens of fields of study from different locations, including different groups of people, and entirely different methods, have individually corroborated the Earth's age. The procedures and background of which are built upon a pyramidal structure of knowledge so vast and all encompassing that you're truly an idiot to think the entire scientific community is that perfectly and totally deluded. Experiments that are routinely re-created hundreds of times across the globe must ALL BE SIMULTANEOUSLY WRONG... but not only that, they must be wrong in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY!!! The only answer to which is that EVERY ONE of these scientists are working in concert to further a massive conspiracy that is so complicated and all encompassing that the dangers of Nuclear War pale in comparison to the dangers it poses. They must somehow know, out of a pool of hundreds of millions, which people will eventually turn into scientists in the near future, and recruit them to their cause before any damaging experiments are done that would possibly unravel the conspiracy.

You're right about one thing though. We can dismiss the critique of anyone who is deluded enough to believe such nonsense.

Star Burst wrote:This is just one of the many arguments that you cannot win with the Bible, sorry. If one man created the earth he ought to at least have a deed or something that could be found indicating his ownership.

DWill wrote:

stahrwe wrote:

DWill wrote:stahwre, are you watching the "God in America" program? I'd be interested in your reaction (over in that thread). I also was wondering if you plan on following Wright through the Koran discussion. Would you have any of the same objections to Wright deconstructing the Koran as you have to him doing it to the Bible? And if not, why not?

I am not watching God in America. I have watched such programs before and find them less than accurate.

I will follow the discussion of the Koran but I am not knowledgeable about the Koran having only read it once so I suspect that Wright will get a free pass on it since I don't think there are any Muslims on BT.

"Such programs"--prejudging, no? I think if you were to lower your fear of PBS you'd find the program offers a non-jaundiced view of religion in our history. And by your avoidance of the question about dissection of the Koran, I'd have to assume that you'd not have a problem with Wright applying the scalpel to that book.

stahrwe wrote:

Star Burst wrote:This is just one of the many arguments that you cannot win with the Bible, sorry. If one man created the earth he ought to at least have a deed or something that could be found indicating his ownership.

Not relevant to this discussion.

Star Burst wrote:

stahrwe wrote:

Star Burst wrote:This is just one of the many arguments that you cannot win with the Bible, sorry. If one man created the earth he ought to at least have a deed or something that could be found indicating his ownership.

Not relevant to this discussion.

Yeah it is. Cause you will no doubt try to prove him with the Bible.

I think this discussion has been hijacked! In fact I think way too much time has been spent discussing ideas other than those put forth by Wright. This is supposed to be a discussion of his book and not an arguement for and against the authenticity of the Bible. Each time I come to this thread the discussion seems to be the same one that began in Chapter 1 and not really discussing what is in the chapter. I get discouraged and go away without posting.

Saffron wrote:I think this discussion has been hijacked! In fact I think way too much time has been spent discussing ideas other than those put forth by Wright. This is supposed to be a discussion of his book and not an arguement for and against the authenticity of the Bible. Each time I come to this thread the discussion seems to be the same one that began in Chapter 1 and not really discussing what is in the chapter. I get discouraged and go away without posting.