Time to PANIC! We all picked the wrong God!

stahrwe · Thu May 26, 2011 11:42 am


	Chuck Ludikee wrote: Stahrwe: [Buddha] is not a person to emulate. Buddha left home, abandoned his wife and young son in a search for his own happiness. Some guy. Chuck: Unlike Jesus, who encouraged family love. Matthew 10: 35 & 36 I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

You are doing well Grasshopper. When you can snatch the false meaning from scripture by quoting out of context, then you may leave.

The entire, relevant portion of Matthew 10 is


	Quote: Quote: Matthew 10 18 On my account you will be brought before governors and kings as witnesses to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, 20 for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you. 21 “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 22 You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 23 When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes. 24 “The student is not above the teacher, nor a servant above his master. 25 It is enough for students to be like their teachers, and servants like their masters. If the head of the house has been called Beelzebul, how much more the members of his household! 26 “So do not be afraid of them, for there is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. 27 What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight; what is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the roofs. 28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. 29 Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground outside your Father’s care.[b] 30 And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31 So don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows. 32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven. 34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn “‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law— 36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’[c] 37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it. 40 “Anyone who welcomes you welcomes me, and anyone who welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me. 41 Whoever welcomes a prophet as a prophet will receive a prophet’s reward, and whoever welcomes a righteous person as a righteous person will receive a righteous person’s reward. 42 And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones who is my disciple, truly I tell you, that person will certainly not lose their reward.”

A bit different than the impression your post leaves aye?

Chuck Ludikee · Thu May 26, 2011 11:31 pm

Stahrwe: You are doing well Grasshopper. When you can snatch the false meaning from scripture by quoting out of context, then you may leave.
The entire, relevant portion of Matthew 10 is [followed by the last 24 verses of the chapter]

Chuck: Interesting way to respond. Are you really laboring under the impression that the one who slings the most words wins? It gets old hearing the same “out of context” argument by you apologists. Let’s take a closer look the verses I quoted. I’m assuming you agree the quote was accurate, no words dropped or added. All the quoted words do have standard English definitions don’t they? Let’s read the verses again:

“I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. (Matthew 10: 35 & 36)” I’m sorry, but I don’t see where your “out of context” argument is valid. The words seem pretty straight forward. So tell me, how does being brought “before governors and kings,” being “given what to say,” the truism “The student is not above the teacher, nor a servant above his master,” or God knowing the number of hairs on our heads add to or diminish from Jesus saying He came to set family members against each other? The same irrelevance applies to the other verses. I think you’re the one falsely representing the facts.

P.S. I really enjoyed your opening put down. Very clever!

Robert Tulip · Fri May 27, 2011 5:17 am

Chuck, welcome. Stahrwe is a Young Earth Creationist troll. He is up to his old tricks of clagging up threads with junk to prevent anyone from learning anything and drive away people like you, after the owner specifically asked him not to do this. Booktalk should ban him. The moderators find him entertaining as a lesson in idiocy and wrong thought. Nothing he says has any credibility, unless you start from his deluded premise that the universe is 6000 years old :roll:

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From earlier in this thread:

stahrwe wrote:


	Robert Tulip wrote: I've noticed that Stahrwe routinely evades my criticisms of him.

It's not that I evade criticism of me I just find it unimportant. As for your support of or parrotting of Finkelstein, I didn't say it was not important, I said it was a lie.

The source for this discussion was this post by Stahrwe, to which I responded here. If you read these posts you will find that Stahrwe is lying, or practicing self-deception, when he claims not to have said that my comments about Finkelstein are unimportant. And before people accuse me of getting into the gutter, the context here is that a fundamentalist (Stahrwe) is slandering a great scholar (Finkelstein). This should be unacceptable, grounds at least for suspension if not banning. Patronising people by calling their comments unimportant and ignoring their content is totally unethical and evasive, but justified by Stahrwe because he has no other way to continue his YEC trolling with the aim of ruining Booktalk.

I object to being called a parrot and a liar when I raise solid scholarly criticisms of YEC rubbish. This is the post that Stahrwe now says is lies. Booktalk has extremely low standards in permitting such slander.

Just think, some one says they do not evade criticism, they just "find it unimportant" and then ignore it. What does this mean? It means that Stahrwe reserves the right to proselytise with the most loathsome fundamentalist propaganda in order to attack rational thought, displaying complete contempt for the rules and standards of this otherwise intelligent discussion board by ignoring the rule that participants have to engage with other people's comments. Booktalk does not enforce its own rules.

Now he pretends to be some sort of Zen master calling some one 'grasshopper'. Less Dalai Lama and more Oral Roberts or Jimmy Swaggart. Total bullshit.

stahrwe · Fri May 27, 2011 8:20 am


	Chuck Ludikee wrote: Stahrwe: You are doing well Grasshopper. When you can snatch the false meaning from scripture by quoting out of context, then you may leave. The entire, relevant portion of Matthew 10 is [followed by the last 24 verses of the chapter] Chuck: Interesting way to respond. Are you really laboring under the impression that the one who slings the most words wins? It gets old hearing the same “out of context” argument by you apologists. Let’s take a closer look the verses I quoted. I’m assuming you agree the quote was accurate, no words dropped or added. All the quoted words do have standard English definitions don’t they? Let’s read the verses again: “I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. (Matthew 10: 35 & 36)” I’m sorry, but I don’t see where your “out of context” argument is valid. The words seem pretty straight forward. So tell me, how does being brought “before governors and kings,” being “given what to say,” the truism “The student is not above the teacher, nor a servant above his master,” or God knowing the number of hairs on our heads add to or diminish from Jesus saying He came to set family members against each other? The same irrelevance applies to the other verses. I think you’re the one falsely representing the facts. P.S. I really enjoyed your opening put down. Very clever!

I once worked for a county government which had commisioners as the highest executive position. One of the commissioners was stopped one night by the police and charged with DUI. His lawyer kept asking for postponements of the trial and then moved to have the charges dismissed because he was not given a speedy trial. Case was dismissed. Similarly, I am ragged on for using the same argument about quoting out of context etc. Well, apologist repeat themselves because you guys keep doing it. Quit taking verses out of context and we won't have to make the charge. Until that happens we will.

As for the verses that you have questions about, verses 35-36 allude back to Micah 7:6, a time when society had broken down. Jesus was comparing that time to what was about the happen. Part of what Jesus was telling His disciples was that His offer of Himself as Prince of Peace and King of Kings would be rejected at that time i.e. the time He was speaking to them. Instead, He was going to precipitate a major disruption in society. The early church was considered to be a threat both to Judaism and the rule of Rome. Christians had to meet in secret and were sometimes denounced by family members. He was warning them that the kingdom they expected the Messiah to bring was not yet, first there would be a war over salvation. That war is ongoing at the moment.

Robert has some issues. First; I am not a fan or either JS or OR, Second; My position is that it is not possible to say how old the universe is.

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