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Recently I learned of a concept known as the singularity, the theoretical time period at which humans will become one with their machines. Many believe we'll reach a point where our minds will be uploaded into computers and exist in virtual worlds of our own design. Then I began to wonder, what if the singularity has already happened and this is just a program within it.

True there's no solid evidence of this, but at the same time there's no solid evidence that this world is real.

Now my understanding of logic says that the above makes the singularity possibility an empty one with no meaning in our current lives.

Still it makes me wonder...




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Post Re: The singularity
If you're guys are gonna give me shit for this you can just delete it.

You should stop being so uptight its just some casual musing.




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Hee heee...

Casual thinking maybe...but did you not also post something about draining the blood from a human being entirely and the body was still alive or came back to life...something stupid like that.

This all ties into your wish fulfilment about god and other realities. So it is the casual that worries me in your case.

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..but did you not also post something about draining the blood from a human being entirely and the body was still alive or came back to life...something stupid like that.


No they chill it into a state of suspended animation and remove the blood. The body is legally dead but can still be revived. I'd simply discard the story too if I'd heard it from a poster rather then something on discovery.

Its nothing spectacular really. Ever heard the saying "they're not dead until they're warm and dead"?

There was also something on that show about a guy getting hit by a car, being declared legally dead, then being declared alive by the morticians and revived three days later. Also not that stunning since there's a reason they do those checks on a body before embalming it.

Maybe the show stretched the truth to make it more entertaining. I brought it up because I was hoping someone had heard about it. I wanted to know more because the idea was intriguing.

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This all ties into your wish fulfilment about god and other realities.


I have no need for that I'm a pantheist, to me god is just an interpritation of the universe. All those times I defended theism I wasn't defending my beliefs I was defending those of others.

I don't really believe much of anything. Basically I believe there is no answer to all the questions we have in life. I think people should stop being so damn sure that they have the answer and I'm not just talking about theism vs athiesm. Everyone is so sure that their one way is right. People destroy each others lives trying to force that one way on one another. In the end its all a waste.

I used to be like that, I thought my way was right, but in time I learned to take a step back from my opinions and I'm happier for it. Extremism only leads to pain, it hurts everyone.

Need some support for this claim?

I notice that the longest thread on this board is entitled "belief in god". It's gone on for dozens of pages. I haven't read the thread, but if its really just something inane no matter there's bound to be serveral other long threads about the same subjet. Now I'm sure you'll claim something along the lines of "its so long because the theists keep using circular logic". I have a feeling the theists would say the same about the Athiests.

I believe that the root of your disagreement is some fundamental difference in the way you view the world. You're different, not better or worse, just different. I doubt that you'll ever understand each other. You need to both just let it go.




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Recently I learned of a concept known as the singularity, the theoretical time period at which humans will become one with their machines.
Just about every word in your post gets under my skin. "Learned" implies "became educated" and you are definitely no more educated after "learning" of this nonsensical "concept." Even the word "theoretical" implies an actual "theory," and this is not a theory by any stretch of the imagination. It isn't even a hypothesis.

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Many believe we'll reach a point where our minds will be uploaded into computers and exist in virtual worlds of our own design.
Many? Name 3 people that believe this. Provide their first and last names so we can look them up and see whether or not we should take them seriously. Many? Who are these "many" people?

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True there's no solid evidence of this...
No "solid" evidence? LOL Well, what kind of evidence is there then? Is there evidence of any sort? Or did you listen to an Art Bell show late at night and get caught up in the magic?

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...but at the same time there's no solid evidence that this world is real.
Slap yourself in the face as hard as you can and get back with me on this one.

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Now my understanding of logic...
...is obviously lacking.

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Still it makes me wonder...
Good. Wonder is a good thing.

The reason Misterpessimistic jumped on you for this post is because it is clear you're not just "wondering." I know the difference between a "wonder" and a "leaning towards," and you're clearly leaning towards belief in some really outlandish "concepts" that don't mesh with the world in which we live.




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Just about every word in your post gets under my skin. "Learned" implies "became educated" and you are definitely no more educated after "learning" of this nonsensical "concept." Even the word "theoretical" implies an actual "theory," and this is not a theory by any stretch of the imagination. It isn't even a hypothesis.

Many? Name 3 people that believe this. Provide their first and last names so we can look them up and see whether or not we should take them seriously. Many? Who are these "many" people?


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity

It entails much more then what I mentioned. My definition wasn't entirely accurate. I will continue to reffere to the whole thing as "the singularity" simply out of convieniance.

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No "solid" evidence? LOL Well, what kind of evidence is there then? Is there evidence of any sort? Or did you listen to an Art Bell show late at night and get caught up in the magic?


Circumstantial maybe. I'm leaving the door open and not jumping to any conclusions.

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Slap yourself in the face as hard as you can and get back with me on this one.


All that proves is my mind is capable of perceiving the tactile and visual sensation of a hand slapping my face.

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...is obviously lacking.


I notice you leave out the part where I said its an empty possibility. Is there something terribly wrong with that statement?

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Good. Wonder is a good thing.

The reason Misterpessimistic jumped on you for this post is because it is clear you're not just "wondering." I know the difference between a "wonder" and a "leaning towards," and you're clearly leaning towards belief in some really outlandish "concepts" that don't mesh with the world in which we live.


Ah thats it. You're absolutely right. You Chris O Connor know exactly what I mean by everything I post. Amazing where did you develope this spectacular empathic powers.

You saw right through my facad of wanting to have a philosophical discussion. Bravo my good man.

Edited by: MaesterAuron151 at: 12/28/06 4:04 am



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All that proves is my mind is capable of perceiving the tactile and visual sensation of a hand slapping my face.


Wouldn't that count as solid evidence of reality?




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Post Re: The singularity
I know my mind exists, beyond that everything else is an assumption based on what my mind percieves. I didn't mean all of reality, just everything outside my own skull.

Of course this then raises a lot more questions. Like what does existance actually mean, how do I know I exist (I haven't even thought about that one I have a feeling I'll just reach a point where nothing makes sense anymore).




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Post Re: The singularity
Well, I suppose now is as good of a time as any to tell you this, MaesterAuron151. For the past 87 years you have been hardwired into a OMGWTF 5.0 machine located in the basement of the Hi-Speed Dildonics Laboratory in Omaha, Nebraska.

Misterpessimistic is the head Dildonics tester from Sector JCWTF Unit LOL2. You've somehow emerged, through pure will alone, from suspended enemation which is something for which we have no contingency plan. Please do not question "things" any further, for your own safety, while we figure out how best to return you to the state of Dildonification. We're sorry this had to happen.

Edited by: Chris OConnor  at: 12/28/06 11:14 am



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I don't think your description of the concept of "singularity" is remotely close to an appropriate use of the term.

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(Vernor Steffen Vinge) is best known for his Hugo Award-winning novels A Fire Upon the Deep and A Deepness in the Sky, as well as for his 1993 essay "The Coming Technological Singularity", in which he argues that exponential growth in technology will reach a point beyond which we cannot even speculate about the consequences.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernor_Vinge

That's all it is and notice you're "breaking the rule" by speculating about the future beyond the singularity.

Think of it this way - personal computers are increasing processor speeds from say 3 Gigahertz to 4 Ghz, hard drives from 250 Gigabyte to 400 Gb, and memory from 1 Gigabyte to 2 Gb roughly. Now consider at some point in the future increases may be measured in Exahertz and Exabytes, changes that are a billion times larger than current progress. We simply cannot imagine what applications those computers will run...

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"Many believe we'll reach a point where our minds will be uploaded into computers and exist in virtual worlds of our own design."

Chris responded "Many? Name 3 people that believe this. Provide their first and last names so we can look them up and see whether or not we should take them seriously. Many? Who are these "many" people?"

Just for fun, Raymond Kurzweil is one serious "playa" who believes that sort of thing will be possible eventually. He is obsessed with immortality, etc.

Edited by: LanDroid at: 12/28/06 11:07 am



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