• In total there are 4 users online :: 0 registered, 0 hidden and 4 guests (based on users active over the past 60 minutes)
    Most users ever online was 813 on Mon Apr 15, 2024 11:52 pm

The Secret Garden: Chapters 10, 11 and 12

#59: Dec. - Jan. 2009 (Fiction)
User avatar
Thomas Hood
Genuinely Genius
Posts: 823
Joined: Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:21 pm
16
Location: Wyse Fork, NC
Been thanked: 1 time

Unread post

Penelope wrote:I was sent this link to read. It demonstrates very clearly how the class system operated and sometimes marred peoples lives.

http://www.vanityfair.com/style/feature ... erpt200902
"Tony was immediately besotted with his son, so much so that two months after David's birth he did not want to leave him and fly with his wife for their planned three-week winter holiday in Antigua. But as Margaret, who had been brought up largely by nannies and governesses, pointed out, provided little David got his bottle every four hours, he would not mind whether it was his mother or the new, very experienced nanny, Verona Sumner, who gave it to him. (Unlike the Queen, Margaret did not feed her children herself.) Sumner, an excellent nanny, was another who disliked Tony, mainly because he wanted too much to do with "her" baby."


No wonder Margaret turned out bad.
User avatar
Penelope

1G - SILVER CONTRIBUTOR
One more post ought to do it.
Posts: 3267
Joined: Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:49 am
16
Location: Cheshire, England
Has thanked: 323 times
Been thanked: 679 times
Gender:
Great Britain

Unread post

Tom, why do you think she turned out bad?

I don't think it is for us to judge.

Here's a funny, courtesy of my son:-

Don't criticise a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes,
that way, you will be a mile away before he reacts, and you will have his shoes. :smile:
Only those become weary of angling who bring nothing to it but the idea of catching fish.

He was born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world is mad....

Rafael Sabatini
User avatar
Thomas Hood
Genuinely Genius
Posts: 823
Joined: Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:21 pm
16
Location: Wyse Fork, NC
Been thanked: 1 time

Unread post

Penelope wrote:Tom, why do you think she turned out bad?

I don't think it is for us to judge.

Here's a funny, courtesy of my son:-

Don't criticise a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes,
that way, you will be a mile away before he reacts, and you will have his shoes. :smile:
Penelope, my understanding is that Margaret led a life of sensual indulgence and suffered the consequences in the destruction of her health. Am I wrong about this? I do not read about the misdeeds of British royality, but it seems to be a major industry in the UK. Anyway, what do people have children for if they don't want them around?

I'm going to take your son's advice and stay away from royalty and its American equivalents.

Tom
User avatar
Penelope

1G - SILVER CONTRIBUTOR
One more post ought to do it.
Posts: 3267
Joined: Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:49 am
16
Location: Cheshire, England
Has thanked: 323 times
Been thanked: 679 times
Gender:
Great Britain

Unread post

I don't know about our Royal Family either Tom. I don't read the gossip columns.

I know that Prince Charles seems a nice enough person, but we can't really know.

Someone on this forum has a wonderful tag which says:-
Great Minds discuss ideas, Average Minds discuss situations and Small minds discuss people.
I don't know whose tag it is now, because I can't find it again, but it struck me as very apt.

It was I who posted that link......I'm sorry, it was crass of me to have done so.
Only those become weary of angling who bring nothing to it but the idea of catching fish.

He was born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world is mad....

Rafael Sabatini
User avatar
Thomas Hood
Genuinely Genius
Posts: 823
Joined: Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:21 pm
16
Location: Wyse Fork, NC
Been thanked: 1 time

Unread post

Penelope wrote:It was I who posted that link......I'm sorry, it was crass of me to have done so.
Now let's don't judge ourselves harshly :)

You are never crass. Post all the links you want!

Tom

P.S. Isn't now Chat Time?
User avatar
Penelope

1G - SILVER CONTRIBUTOR
One more post ought to do it.
Posts: 3267
Joined: Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:49 am
16
Location: Cheshire, England
Has thanked: 323 times
Been thanked: 679 times
Gender:
Great Britain

Unread post

There is an old Yorkshire Dialect song, which has been running through my head this afternoon.

On Ilkley Moor Ba'aht 'At.

translates to 'On Ilkley Moor without your headgear'.

:(
Only those become weary of angling who bring nothing to it but the idea of catching fish.

He was born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world is mad....

Rafael Sabatini
User avatar
Thomas Hood
Genuinely Genius
Posts: 823
Joined: Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:21 pm
16
Location: Wyse Fork, NC
Been thanked: 1 time

Unread post

Penelope wrote:There is an old Yorkshire Dialect song, which has been running through my head this afternoon.

On Ilkley Moor Ba'aht 'At.
On Ilkla Moor Baht 'at (Standard English: On Ilkley Moor without a hat) is a popular folk song from Yorkshire, England. It is sung in the Yorkshire dialect, and is considered the unofficial anthem of the county.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Ilkla_Moor_Baht'at

. . . the song tells of a lover courting the object of his affections, Mary Jane, on Ilkley Moor without a hat (baht 'at). The singer chides the lover for his lack of headwear
User avatar
GentleReader9

1F - BRONZE CONTRIBUTOR
Internet Sage
Posts: 340
Joined: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:43 pm
15
Location: Eugene, Oregon, USA, Earth.
Been thanked: 7 times

Unread post

Penelope wrote:
Someone on this forum has a wonderful tag which says:-

Quote:
Great Minds discuss ideas, Average Minds discuss situations and Small minds discuss people.


It was Farmgirlshelley who had that quote. (Does my noticing/saying that about her make me a small mind who discusses people? :hmm: )

About Margaret's not feeding her own baby and leading a life of sensual indulgence with consequences.... I am a big proponent of the merits of breastfeeding. Still, if one is going to lead a life of sensual indulgence with consequences, surely it is responsible and prudent to have someone else feed the baby? :hmm:

I love that quote about walking a mile in someone's shoes, Penelope. As you can see, it's just the way I think.
"Where can I find a man who has forgotten the words so that I can talk with him?"
-- Chuang-Tzu (c. 200 B.C.E.)
as quoted by Robert A. Burton
User avatar
Thomas Hood
Genuinely Genius
Posts: 823
Joined: Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:21 pm
16
Location: Wyse Fork, NC
Been thanked: 1 time

Unread post

GentleReader9 wrote:Penelope wrote:

Quote:
Great Minds discuss ideas, Average Minds discuss situations and Small minds discuss people.


Well-rounded minds discuss whatever the situation requires.
I am a big proponent of the merits of breastfeeding.
Robert is too, and may advocate it as part of his profession. Babies in undeveloped countries sometimes die when polluted water is used in formula.
User avatar
realiz

1F - BRONZE CONTRIBUTOR
Amazingly Intelligent
Posts: 626
Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:31 pm
15
Has thanked: 42 times
Been thanked: 72 times

Unread post

Thomas
Well-rounded minds discuss whatever the situation requires.
Thank you, Thomas, I was feeling a little small to average, but now I shall feel well-rounded. Ideas are mighty, but if that is all you can discuss then chances are you would have no close relationships.
lI am a big proponent of the merits of breastfeeding
I couldn't agree more and not just because of babies dying from polluted water. No matter how good the formula it can never replace breastmilk, nor can bottle feeding ever replace the bond created by breastfeeding for both baby and mother.
Post Reply

Return to “The Secret Garden - by Frances Hodgson Burnett”