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www.nytimes.com/2005/10/24/international/24GOLD.html

According to the linked New York Times article, most of the gold remaining to be mined from the earth is microscopic and gained only at the cost of poisoning vast amounts of earth with cyanide. Knowing this, would you eschew gold? Having proposed marriage, for instance, would you avoid buying a gold ring because of the environmental costs?




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Post Re: The End of Gold?
There are other metals for the circular metal band: silver, platinum, steel...
While i was working on the weapons handling wharf, i left the ring at home most days. Somewhere in that three year tour i lost the thing. Haven't replaced it in...about 10 years now.
Wife stopped wearing hers a few years back, too.

Not that big a deal. It doesn't prevent cheating if that's what you're going to do. The 'cleave together forever' part is in the heart, not a knuckle.











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Post Re: The End of Gold?
Based on the results of a quick search, it looks like silver mining is usually handled by the cyanide-leach technique as well. I haven't found much information on platinum mining -- I know that the platinum is usually extracted by a "froth floating" technique, which involves mixing the crushed earth from mines with water and "certain reactants," but haven't yet found a list of those reactants or of their potential for ecological upset.




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Post Re: The End of Gold?
i was talking about gold recently with a coworker interestingly enough. we both reflected how amusing it is that our currancy is backed by a metal. as more and more monies are put into an electronic format digitally transmitted (especially on a global level), it puts the issue of 'backing' printed money into an interesting perspective. this is when that much needed economics 101 book would really help educate what may be a misconception based on too little information, feel free to clarify for me ::80




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Post Re: The End of Gold?
I don't think we're on the gold standard anymore. As far as I know, we're not backed by any metal standard. Even when that was the case, the value of currency wasn't backed so much by the physical substance of gold, but on the amount of labor it took to extract it. All money is, to my understanding, a quantification and displacement of labor equivalences. I think Adam Smith pointed that out in the early chapters of "The Wealth of Nations".

I don't know if it would answer a lot of your specific questions, but if you want a pretty basic text on the principles of modern economic theory, I can recommend Henry Hazlitt's "Economics in One Lesson". The title makes it sound like one of those "Learn Japanese in 24 Hours" books, but Hazlitt's "one lesson" is actually a principle that ties the large bulk of economic theory into a neat little package. Actually, I wouldn't mind rereading that book, as I could use a refresher.




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Post Re: The End of Gold?
The U.S. has not backed its currency with a precious metal since 1971. In its most basic form, the gold standard allowed one to turn in paper currency and receive gold coin in exchange (i.e. literally gold, not "on the amount of labor it took to extract it"). This makes it nearly impossible for a government to inflate (cheapen) currency. However, it can cause bank failures and other problems due to trade deficits, etc.

The Hazlitt book would be a good re-read, but as I recall it should have been named "Libertarian Economics In One Easy Lesson". ::11 It's pretty snappy for an econ book.

I don't think the environmental considerations in the NYT article indicate "The End of Gold". It hasn't for coal, oil, gasoline, etc. etc.

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The Hazlitt book would be a good re-read, but as I recall it should have been named "Libertarian Economics In One Easy Lesson".

Probably so, in a world where all economic books were required to wear their ideology on their sleeve. But such a world would likely see all titles lengthened by at least one word -- I've never seen an economics book that didn't have a political or ideological leaning. The trick is to sift the logic from the bias. Not an easy trick, I'll grant, but it's the only reliable method we have.




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Post Re: The End of Gold?
I'm pretty sure you can get gold out of seawater...




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Post Re: The End of Gold?
In quantities large enough to meet any substantial part of the demand for gold, Mr. G?




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Post Re: The End of Gold?
There are 317 cubic miles of ocean, and its estimated you can get 1mg of gold from every ton of seawater.

62.4 lbs per cubic foot gives 4.6 billion tons of water per cubic mile, or 1,456 billion tons of water on the earth.

That would give you 1.456 billion grams, or 1,456,000 kg, or 1,456 metric tons of gold from the oceans if you could get it all.

In comparison, total gold mined ever is (if I got the info and math right) about 100,000 tons, and annual US production is about 256 tons.

So seawater gold is not insignificant, and equals maybe 6 times US annual gold production, but would only equal about 1.5% of total mined gold ever. And it's expensive to get to.




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Post Re: The End of Gold?
Yeah, it strikes me that expense would be the biggest impediment. And the gold producers want to keep the prices up, but accessible. That's part of why they've continued to mine using methods that are clearly hazardous to the regions in which they're mining -- safer methods would drive the cost up above what most people can or would be willing to pay.




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