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The End Is Near: Is 2012 Truly the Day When the World Will End?
I'm sure we have all heard of the newest movie hit, 2012, but do you really believe the end is coming? Share your thoughts! Before, though, read this article in the Oregonian covering the inside information on all of this hoopla.
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The 2012 theory is that on 21 December 2012 the December solstice will align to the galactic core, matching the end of the Mayan long count.
In fact, the December solstice passed the galactic core in 1998. All the theories linking 2012 as a precise date to the galactic core are false. John Major Jenkins, quoted in the attached article, recognises this 1998 fact, and speaks of 'era 2012', a 36 year period centred on the 1998 galactic core alignment, ending in 2016, and starting to emerge at the end of the Mayan long count in 2012, as symbolic of planetary spiritual transformation.
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Robert Tulip wrote:
The 2012 theory is that on 21 December 2012 the December solstice will align to the galactic core, matching the end of the Mayan long count.
In fact, the December solstice passed the galactic core in 1998. All the theories linking 2012 as a precise date to the galactic core are false. John Major Jenkins, quoted in the attached article, recognises this 1998 fact, and speaks of 'era 2012', a 36 year period centred on the 1998 galactic core alignment, ending in 2016, and starting to emerge at the end of the Mayan long count in 2012, as symbolic of planetary spiritual transformation.
I don't know if you read the attached article or not, but that is the jist of what it said
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I think it would be interesting to compile a list of all the predictions of the end of the world just to see how wrong we humans can get things.
That would be interesting! We can start now. Each person can say no more than 3 suggestions on how the world will end.
> Nuclear war > Extremely large ice age (watched a show on it last night on the discovery/history channel [cant remember which one])
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Iluvbookz13 wrote:
tbarron wrote:
I think it would be interesting to compile a list of all the predictions of the end of the world just to see how wrong we humans can get things.
That would be interesting! We can start now. Each person can say no more than 3 suggestions on how the world will end.
> Nuclear war > Extremely large ice age (watched a show on it last night on the discovery/history channel [cant remember which one])
Yes, that could be fun, too. I'll add
> human extinction due to global warming (the end of the human world, anyway ) > incineration of the earth when the sun expands beyond the earth's orbit into a red giant in about 5 billion years (actually, the wikipedia entry indicates that life on earth will become impossible in about one billion years because by then the sun is expected to heat up enough by then to make liquid water impossible on the earth's surface)
What I meant to be suggesting was to compile a list of all the historical predictions of the end of the world. There are several in the Bible, there were a lot around the year 1000 CE. I remember reading The Late Great Planet Earth in the early 70s. From my reading of it, I concluded the date was sometime in 1984. I guess it didn't pan out.
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Iluvbookz13 wrote:
Robert Tulip wrote:
The 2012 theory is that on 21 December 2012 the December solstice will align to the galactic core, matching the end of the Mayan long count.
In fact, the December solstice passed the galactic core in 1998. All the theories linking 2012 as a precise date to the galactic core are false. John Major Jenkins, quoted in the attached article, recognises this 1998 fact, and speaks of 'era 2012', a 36 year period centred on the 1998 galactic core alignment, ending in 2016, and starting to emerge at the end of the Mayan long count in 2012, as symbolic of planetary spiritual transformation.
I don't know if you read the attached article or not, but that is the jist of what it said
You don't seem to be reading carefully ILB. The fact that the alignment with the galactic core already happened in 1998 is not mentioned in the article.
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tbarron wrote:
Iluvbookz13 wrote:
tbarron wrote:
I think it would be interesting to compile a list of all the predictions of the end of the world just to see how wrong we humans can get things.
That would be interesting! We can start now. Each person can say no more than 3 suggestions on how the world will end.
> Nuclear war > Extremely large ice age (watched a show on it last night on the discovery/history channel [cant remember which one])
Yes, that could be fun, too. I'll add
> human extinction due to global warming (the end of the human world, anyway ) > incineration of the earth when the sun expands beyond the earth's orbit into a red giant in about 5 billion years (actually, the wikipedia entry indicates that life on earth will become impossible in about one billion years because by then the sun is expected to heat up enough by then to make liquid water impossible on the earth's surface)
What I meant to be suggesting was to compile a list of all the historical predictions of the end of the world. There are several in the Bible, there were a lot around the year 1000 CE. I remember reading The Late Great Planet Earth in the early 70s. From my reading of it, I concluded the date was sometime in 1984. I guess it didn't pan out.
Well, since i'm 13 years old *cough, cough* I don't think I will be reading any 30 year old books . I read your Wikipedia article, but a few weeks ago I saw a show on it too. All I can say is that I'm glad I won't live for another 3 billion years
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Robert Tulip wrote:
Iluvbookz13 wrote:
Robert Tulip wrote:
The 2012 theory is that on 21 December 2012 the December solstice will align to the galactic core, matching the end of the Mayan long count.
In fact, the December solstice passed the galactic core in 1998. All the theories linking 2012 as a precise date to the galactic core are false. John Major Jenkins, quoted in the attached article, recognises this 1998 fact, and speaks of 'era 2012', a 36 year period centred on the 1998 galactic core alignment, ending in 2016, and starting to emerge at the end of the Mayan long count in 2012, as symbolic of planetary spiritual transformation.
Well, my question is, how does the Mayan calendar work? How do they judge time? Your link did not work, the site is down right now. From what you said, I think you are trying to say that 2012 is only the year that the transformation will become apparent. However, the cycle will not end until 2016. Am I getting this right?
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You don't seem to be reading carefully ILB. The fact that the alignment with the galactic core already happened in 1998 is not mentioned in the article.
I think that is most likely because they were concluding the answers to why the movie was named 2012, and why we do not have to worry about the end coming near. They need not explain the whole Mayan long calendar story (it was a newspaper article, so they only had so much space)
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There have been countless predictions of the end of times. None have been true and none will ever be true.
Ah, that is a debatable statement Chris. Scientists AND NASA have concluded that the Sun will, in a few billion years, explode abundantly. That will cause the end of our time if we are still on Earth. At that point, we will get no more heat and will freeze to death.
Now the real question is, "When will the end of our time come?"
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my calendar at home mysteriously stops right before january 1 2010.
Does the printing company which produces my calendar know something grave about the future? Probably not.
If there were any mayans around still making calendars, they would probably have it mapped out another few hundred years into the future.
People, as a group, are constantly on the look-out for some dread in the future. Apocalyptic stories grab our attention, but there is nothing to this prediction. 2000 came and went without incident, even the modest dooms-day event that was supposed to be Y2K.
have no fear. Our superstitions will strike out once again, as they always do.
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my calendar at home mysteriously stops right before january 1 2010.
Does the printing company which produces my calendar know something grave about the future? Probably not.
If there were any mayans around still making calendars, they would probably have it mapped out another few hundred years into the future.
People, as a group, are constantly on the look-out for some dread in the future. Apocalyptic stories grab our attention, but there is nothing to this prediction. 2000 came and went without incident, even the modest dooms-day event that was supposed to be Y2K.
have no fear. Our superstitions will strike out once again, as they always do.
And that is the truth. It's like we have nothing better to do than scare the crap out of people. This world will die of natural causes, not by mystery.
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Yes, let's list failed predictions for the end of the world and track us some new ones!
Here's an upcoming prediction: "the return of Jesus Christ on May 27, 2012". The dude who is making that prediction, Ron Weinland, "is a prophet of God and one of the two witnesses spoken of in Revelation."
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LanDroid wrote:
Yes, let's list failed predictions for the end of the world and track us some new ones!
Here's an upcoming prediction: "the return of Jesus Christ on May 27, 2012". The dude who is making that prediction, Ron Weinland, "is a prophet of God and one of the two witnesses spoken of in Revelation."
this is yet another situation where a ton of people are going to be disappointed over false predictions concerning a literal Jesus. I know a member of this movement who recently told me that he's absolutely certain that Jesus will return on May 21st 2011 and if for some reason it doesn't happen, well then he'll know that everything that he believes in (the Bible) has been false all along. He said that because the bible gives this specific date (as Camping suggests) the bible would be proven wrong if the rapture doesn't take place and Jesus doesn't literally return to the earth. In that case, he confessed that he doesn't know what he'll do if Jesus doesn't literally return to the earth.
This is interesting. In two years we may see a number of things happen. For one, I would expect that a ton of people around the world may take their own lives when Campings ministry is finally proven false through the natural course of time. Secondly, for those who don't have the balls to do something as dramatic as taking their own lives over the prophecy becoming proven false publically, I would suspect that many of these people will want to know WHY the rapture never happened on May 21st 2011...
I intend to direct as many people as I know who believe in the 2011 rapture date towards studying and understanding the mythicist perspective of the bible as we near the date in question. I think that this false prophecy will work towards further breaking down radical Christian fundamentalism - not eradicating it of course, but greatly damaging it. If you google May 21st 2011 you can get a feel for just how widespread this false prophetic teaching has spread in the world among Christians [eg here]. It's getting to be a pretty big movement. So, long story short, there may be a alot of people crossing over to the mythicist position a few years from now as all of this BS plays out and people may become much more open to seeking out the truth about the astro-mythological writing structure of the gospels accounts.
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Robert, looks like you're putting quite a bit of time and energy into decoding this Camping fellow. Why? Doesn't seem to be worth your time?
Here's a timeline of predictions that might be useful, although it doesn't list as many specifics as I'd like. It includes a Camping prediction for 1994.
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