From one of my student yesterday, only because it applies here.

Yet another one more thing Al...alchemy is the science of the life force it needs no gods or goddesses or aliens for that matter it transcends these things which are merely cultural projects or a kind of dream or dreams and nightmares of visionaries.The foundation stone of the true 'new age' of peace and harmony is the stone a demonstratable substance of accumulated perfect life force made in the traditional way.So Al build your house on the stone not on the shifting sands of cultural projections which ultimately divide people creating competing cultures.Alchemists don't deal in mysticism they are very practical and know the life force and how to work with it..which is the basis of all life.Alchemy is the basis of all religion and alchemy has the practice,the clarity and the truth, religion has the mere dream of things and the cultural projections of visionaries and mystics which is a contamination.

When you read that, read this-

"They believe chemistry as evidence of god in nature, therefore it IS evidence of god in nature? Impeccable logic." See how we misunderstand and show how little we know?

Al

These religious stories, like so many stories told every single day, are based off real events then exaggerated and decorated. In today's time, any such story can be checked for veracity. It was a different story 2,000 years ago. Stories left unchecked, then refined, will be believed. Which stories are believed more, thus surviving, is a matter of an evolutionary algorithm. The weaker(less believable) stories give way to the stronger stories.

Why do you think the events our religious stories are based around are supernatural? The formula repeated all across the globe is to embellish a natural phenomenon to appear supernatural. There is no reason to think the basis for religion is any different. The stories are based on natural events, which turn into supernatural events after embellishment by the narrator. To believe the supernatural events were based on further supernatural events is no explanation at all. Especially when you understand what "supernatural" really means. The track record of everything which has previously been considered a supernatural phenomenon are now understood as entirely natural.

We don't learn, do we? Each time humanity makes a breakthrough and gains understanding on something which was previously considered supernatural, we pick the next hurdle and call it supernatural. Until we leap that hurdle and understand the phenomenon is actually natural. Then we continue this folly and label the next hurdle as supernatural. No amount of repetition will teach some people... they are always convinced "their" belief is the real wolf, and all wolfs before were fake. So they cry wolf again, ad infinitum.


I wonder, have you ever seen an alchemical phenomenon that could not have a natural explanation(ie - mere chemistry)?

Hi Interbane,

I agree with all that you have said. How i have discussed it is as this- Today we will take the porcess apart and it will be a series of chemical formulas, I doubt it will convince anyone of god! To me it is like any other chemical formula. The process of the stone though is to be understood as the ancients seen it. That is how you understand the things I have said. Jesus was an alchemists? How can u understand baptism, Death and Resurrection for example unless you understand what it was that convinced them of all this? They believe they Perfected matter, and that Proved God in nature. Probably the matter is as perfected, lets say as nature can do so with the oven and process they found. Does it proves God? To me no more than any other recipe. But the point all of you should be concerned with, as this is, 'The Fountian of Youth, this is where all the Long Life was from in the past, and i doubt any lived to 900 years, but some said they did. This is where Resurrection came from, spirit, soul, all of it, heaven, the secret societies, however you want to link it, it is tied to this process. That is what is important. Do you believe you have a spirit and soul? Where did it come from? It came from this process. Do you believe in heaven after Death? It came from this. Resurrection, it came from this. The river with Four heads, and the cross, it is from this! Don't you think it is worth knowing. It is your heritage. I say, all should know something of it. Take the book by Dan Brown. Little in it is explained yet it drove people crazy! Why? They want to know and believe in something. This will be a Rude awakening for many. God is from a rotten egg! Spirit is from the sun! Perhaps you could answwer for me, which is better, the Truth or a misunderstood made up story? Religion is killing mankind and always will unless it is explained. Most will not accept this information, is O k with me, I speak to those that want to know and have an open mind. Please believe I am a good mechanic! This is my Hobby. I am normal, not a nut case and don't mean to sound like one, have no cross to bear, am trying my best to explain how it all works. Now, yes i was in nuc. Power. I have a Hi I Q. I don't usually ever say anything about me. I was the # 1 suggestor where i worked. I always working on some gadjet to get a patent, always busy. I like ladies, drinking, fast cars, was a sailor for 8 years, Im normal. I even listen to country music! I would probably be your friend if we knew each other.

I know I have already said many things never, some, said before, in time all will be covered then you can decide. Now i want to talk about and show the oven. It is also important.

Al

http://www.thefirstmythology.com/

To All, this is my site where i have put a lot of information. The tablets of Flamel and Abraham are there, many other alchemical series, and prints from different other series. This is full of what i want to talk about. Please go there and look at each section and try to see what i am talking about. I will explain everything. There at the start is the Pictorial allegory of Abraham and Flamel together. A little hard to see but I give a one Line outline of the hidden oven in that Fresco. I will show it to you in other sites so you know it is real. what is important also about this oven, it explains many things. The Four Arm cross is at the base. The whole thing is how the Egyptian seen the earth. It was square, had the cross, had the small and large mountians, all of it is in G. Masseys books! Now let me say a few things. The Cross. It is based on how the sun seemed to them to travel, north and south, East and west. It formed this Cross which is found within the oven. The large Mountain, Pyramid Shape, probably came from the fact they felt it went up in a srtraight line, descended in a straight line. The small mountains (small pyramids) were the four square north and south, east and west how they divided up the country. All in Masseys books! There is a base below that holds water. It raises up, condenses and fall back to this cross which becomes the River with Four Heads. It does feed the center where the Dry land Earth was believed created. There is no river with four heads on the earth, it is in this oven only, yet, many still look for it don't they? Now the Tau Cross, also from the ancient Egyptians is also tied to this oven. They say in some of the understandings, the female goddess is above on all fours, the male is below her with a extended penis, which is the center support. It gave life. It is the base of the Tau Cross. The top of the Tau Cross is also found in this oven. A small plate of glass sets on the four small. In the description, it is the "Piece that spans the Broad Moat." That is how it is described. Now, the oven is called a three fold oven. There is a time you work below the pyramid. On earth is at the base of the pyramid, In Heaven is above on this broad plate. It is important because that is tied to the Eye of Horus, and when we work there, ""Starting Dec. 21"" we join the matter with Horus. But gentlemen, it is the matter we join with the sun, till April, the Resurrection, and it is what the Three Wise men are about, not what you learned in Zeitgeist!
As I said, if the three days was what it was all about, why is there not an explanation similar to June when it also happens? It is tied to this process, the Constellations are tied to this process, all of it is tied to this process which is what osiris/jesus is based on. No one else ever said that, but you will know it is True eventually.

You see, what it is about is always the Matter in the process. It lived, it dies, it was reborn, was augmented and then joined to the sun, was perfected and resurrected. It was never about Osiris, or Jesus, it was about the matter. But, your just like this matter. You live, you die, can You be resurrected? The ancients believed they had found how to resurrect matter perfect. They felt they found how God could do the same to you. so you became the stone process You wewre taught to live a certain way, to have certain ceramonies done to you, all so that after death, you could be resurrected as this matter was. Now is that not important to understand. Your the matter, you lead and live your life as the ancient taught so that when you die, you can be perfected, resurrected, and go to heaven to be with a Perfect Being, God!

Now that is a mouthfull coming from a mechanic! But it is the Truth, all of it. Please go to my web site. Read when you have time, ask any question, learn. It is your past. We need not waste any more of our time searching for the lost child of Jesus. Or his family, or any of it, as it all can be known.

Yes, it is all a chemical process by nature. I take an egg, place it on a warm site for a month, place it in a sealed pyramid oven for 4 months, join it to the above for three months (androgynous like in Adam) dry it in moonlight for a month (Virgin birth), again join it to the above lights, ( Crowned Androgynous ) and then for the red i join it Dec. 21 with the sun for 4 months. That simple. it works. At least i can say that it goes through the stages, and the colors as it is supposed to do. I still can't say what it does. But, the alchemists said, "You can only know you are right by the color changes." if you have them, you have the stone. Now, everything of the matter for the red is of Jesus and is tied to jesus/Osiris. The white is all the same as for John the Baptist. How can any one say it is a coincidense?

My times are months, 3 4, what it calls for to make the change. that is why alchemy is an Art. we can do as God did (Genesis and the Creation) but we have to do it with Art. That is why Genesis is so important, we follow the same plan as nature, we just have to take longer to "get er done!" This is why it is the Great Work, we are doing as they believed god did to Create the Earth.

When I think you know this well enough, I will quote many things from the gnostics, and you will know they all match what i am saying or explaining. You will know it is the Truth. By the time I am finished, i will have said hundreds of things tying everything together. Then you can decide. Try to prove me wrong. I really though don't like some nasty remarks, i worked many long and hard years to find this. I am not done yet, and perhaps i wont be the one to finish, but it will get done. whatever the stone is, we will as a society have it again as it was in the past. - - - please visit my site to check out and see.


Al

Hi Group,
What I have tonight before we go on is a copy of a post presently about the Work of Acharya and her book, "Christ in egypt." I want to say first a couple of things. Sir W. Budge made a comment about the religion of Osiris and Isis in the book of the Dead, saying that the information was Ancient at 4500 BC. He also said in 'Cleopatras Needle" that he felt the information was lost as to the changes and changed societies in Egypt over the many years it existed. I want also to say that if you knew anything about Alchemy, we have libraries of this information, and it has never been explained. The information is from the best of our knowledgable persons of our recorded past. yet, it was alwayts even with them, in Metaphor. Now the Quote.

""Now, even if the previous two primary sources weren't enough(which they are), that's fine, we can go back even earlier, to the ancient Egyptian Coffin Texts, written during the First Intermediate period to the Middle Kingdom period, which is approximately from 2055 BC to around 1650 BC. In these spells, specifically number 148, Isis is described as being impregnated with Horus, not by sex with Osiris, but instead...
by a bolt a lightning. And the translator, the aforementioned late great Raymond O. Faulkner, wrote two peer reviewed articles explaining that this was indeed a non-sexual conception, just like that of the Apis bull(a form of Osiris, btw) described by Herodotus and several other myths with this recurring motif of impregnation by lightning or a flash from the sky.
And so here we have the same Egyptologist translating for us a text that three centuries before Christ stated that Isis is a virgin whose womb has never been opened in spite of being the mother of Horus, and then the same Egyptologist telling us that in an even earlier text which predates even the Old Testament, that Isis was impregnated with Horus by a bolt of lightning.

Now, getting back to the even earlier Pyramid Texts which I mentioned a moment ago, which were written during the Old Kingdom period, and describe Isis receiving the seed of Osiris from his phallus, even that text says she did so as Sothis. Now, who is Sothis? Sothis is the star Sirius. Sothis is also the 'Ba' of Isis. Now, explaining the concept of the Egyptian Ba is a little a complex. People used to think of it as the Egyptian counterpart to our idea of a "soul", but the evidence doesn't bear that out, so that idea has more or less been dropped. It is one of the constituent parts of a person, so to speak, but the point is, it is NOT the biological body. Now to read more about the Ba, and for a statement that Sothis is in fact the Ba of Isis, you can read "A Study of the Ba Concept in Ancient Egyptian Texts" by Egyptologist Lois V. Zabkar, which you can download here- oi.uchicago.edu/research/pubs/catalog/s ... aoc34.html. On a side note, it is also a great work explaining that the resurrection of Osiris and the pharaohs was indeed expected to be a literal, physical, bodily resurrection and not an alleged "spiritual" resurrection as the old 19th century writers mistakenly believed and that xian apologists still rehash regardless.
Anyway, this is all significant because even in this explicitly sexual conception of Horus in what are the earliest religious texts we have from Egypt(as stated by James P. Allen in the intro to his translation), even in this obviously sexual conception, it is still not sex with their biological bodies, but instead, sex with the Ba of Isis, which is Sothis. Zabkar also explains this in his book, that one of the main functions of the Ba was to have intercourse in place of the deceased. Interesting, because that's exactly the case here, Osiris is deceased. So even in this version of Horus's conception, even though sex is the mechanism, it is not sex with Isis's biological body, it is sex with her Ba, so her body remains untouched, and if she is a virgin, then her hymen remains intact. Now, the Pyramid Texts do not state whether Isis was still a virgin at this point or not, but it is very interesting that such a plot device is used that keeps her body from actually performing the sex. So even if she was not yet understood to be a virgin mother at this early point, we can see how this plot device is what most likely lead to later generations progressively further developing this aspect of the myth into what finally became the virgin birth of Horus. Especially since her Ba, Sothis, is the star Sirius, in the sky, and in the Coffin Text version, Isis is impregnated by lightning from the sky. So here we can sort of see the this evolution towards Isis becoming explicitly a virgin mother:

Old Kingdom period - Isis's Ba has sex with Osiris in her place in order to conceive Horus.

Middle Kingdom period - Isis is impregnated by a bolt of lightning to conceive Horus.

New Kingdom period - Isis calls herself "the Great Virgin" even after her son Horus is already born & full grown.

Ptolemaic Period - Isis is explicitly depicted as a virgin whose womb has never been opened, even though Horus has already been born at this point.

There's other things we can go into as well, and other scholarly quotes that support this, but I think I've shown enough to clearly establish the point, plus I don't want to give away everything, since you should really read Murdock's book. You'll be glad you did. ""


You can see the confusion that Budge was refering to, it is everywhere and it actually is in all the religions of the past in some form. what that means is this was a One World Religion in the distant past. How distant? I think about 10000 BC. Now if yo8u have been reading my posts, it explains many of the things talked about i9n this quote. isis is originally the moon (Goddess). She is tied to Sirius as I have explained that, Sirius is Osiris in Dec. when he joins with Horus to become a God. It is all about the Ancient magic of Egypt which is a process that proved to them, God! The Philosophers Stone is the substance jesus had to cure the sick. He knew the Magic. Isis is known by Many names because in each society that followed the religion they had their own names for the Goddess. sophia is One of them, and the One jesus talked about, yet, the Wisdom of Sophia is connected and about the same magic. Mithra is another, I could name them all, they all have bits and pieces of the ancient religion of Egypt. Notice in the above they speak of the Ba of isis. The soul! That is the essence we recieve in alchemy when we use the force or light of the moon during process. In that process we bring forth Osiris in September. It is known alchemically as, "The True mercury." It takes 3 months to be further augmented, and then it is united as sirius with Horus. The three Days oor three wise men are explained by this process. It has been explained incorrectly. One need ask, "what is it all based on," and just try to get an explanation from any one, you wont.

It is describe as a Non Sexual conception! Pretty good when you realize it is about matter and light. It is about how the ancients believed the Earth was Created. The process is where you recieved your Spirit and soul. If you would like, please explain to me where you did recieve them if you believe you have one? ask the experts and see what they give for an answer. It is about matter, and forces in nature within a firmament and what the results did convinced them of God. Simple as that.

The problem with this information is that it was never written down anywhere. Even in ancient Egypt, it was in Metaphor so to speak. all that knew it (alchemists) that go back a thousand years, knew it but only spoke of it in Metaphor. Jesus spoke of it in metaphor and in his parables. It is Secret, it is not written down anywhere, but, if you find out what it is, it is everywhere. You need to learn the process, then all of it will in time be available to you. so, it is up to each of you. You can go on "discussing forever" or you can learn it and know it and then, go on!

Al

http://websitesbycook.com/thefirstmytho ... nd_al.html http://www.alchemywebsite.com/amclglr8.html Emb. 154

To All, enjoying your discussion, Christ in Egypt! Please note the two addresses above. What they show is three different ways of explaining the Process of alchemy! The St. thomas Shield I have used because it is easy to explain after I do so with the other work, which is of Flamel, and Abraham the Jew. After explaining these pictorial series allegorical descriptions of the alchemical process (The Magic of Egypt) I will go to the alchemy web site at levity.com/alchemy and cross reference with say 50 more different pictorial allegories showing that many of the other series at that site all show the same thing. When understod they will show that the process is a 16 month long process. That there is 8 steps, depending how you want to count. It will show that your "astrotheology" is all about this process, and from this process. It also will show the Osiris is from this process, and Jesus is tied to the myth as Osiris was, but that it is not a myth but an actual physical thing they(alchemists) did and knew from Ancient times. When and if all this does get explained, it will then, with the Gnostic Gospels show that Jesus was no myth, because he knew this magic and spoke of it many times in many different ways. Also that he actually believed in this process as a way the Earth was Created. By knowing of this knowledge, I believe it proves Jesus was a real person, but by the church was tied to the same mythology or process as was Osiris many years before. I think also as you come to understand this material, and learn how to understand the Gnsotics you will know that the Bible has been washed of information from the past. I realize also that what I say and show will be doubted until I have gone over enough to show that all this information is about the same process. As you learn more and see more, the doubt will go away and you will know this is the past and a complete explanation. Lastly, I like to discuss but I am not going to do this unless I get others to read and discuss. I know the material, if you want to I will teach it but my time is valuable to me as is your to you. I think that if you learn this, much of what is being said concerning, Christ in Egypt' will change, in fact I know that most all of it will. Lastly, when we finish with what we call Alchemy or the Magic, I will cover things said by Philosophers of the past, all known, that will also show that their remarks and statements are tied to this explanation. It is everywhere, but you never knew.

Now I am not going to start for a day or so. I will give you time to find "Any" expert you wish to explain just the material tied to the addresses above. Any, from anywhere or any group, any Scholar, any and all you wish to bring forward. Guess what, there will be none! As there are libraries of this material, you decide if it needs be explained or should we, like the Gnostics just destroy it as meaningless! as many want to do just that! Al

Well, still no one that can explain the alchemical text that I posted? There is a very lot of this information. Surly as all 'know" what alchemy was about, someone should be able to explain it.

Many, and Gerald Massey was one of them, want the past to be in an ordered fashion. We lived in caves, we lived in trees, we walked around as gathers, we found natural gods like fire and strong winds. This led to a more organized religion and away we go to Christianity. Now Christianity is being proved that it is a bunch of old myth gathered together and made into a religion. Even Jesus is a myth!

All of this is Wrong! G. Massey, who wrote the "Natural Genesis" to try to prove the natural progression, was wrong! Those today trying to prove the Myth of the past are wrong. Mr. Jung, who said alchemy was a Spiritual Process was wrong. The question it seems is, "What is the Truth of the past, and can anyone ever explain it." "Has it been "Lost to the Ages?" Is the Bible True, or an exageration, or worse, a history of religion changed to hide what was?

When I came to blogtalk radio, I thought perhaps I had found a place to discuss and share. There are enough persons here that perhaps want to know that they will discuss! Perhaps it is because the information is so strange or different that few can comment? Is it that all of you have an agenda? Is it like many other places, I admitted I am a mechanic and so, "Al. you can't know"! Guess how many times I have been told that? On the other side, I also have been told, "Al, you explain things no scholar ever has." Lastly, I finally don't care to much anymore. I thought it was important, but mankind seems to deserve walking around in a fog!

I spent now 40 years with Alchemy, not lab alchemy but alchemy and nature. I did what they said to do! Like other alchemists of the past I can keep it for myself!

"The All" as it was called," you all seem to talk about it as it was several different things. Why is it then that they called by such a name?

Al

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