Should we tick 'No Religion' on the census?

The British Humanist Association would like us to, but its brand of humanism sounds like religion without God


o The Guardian, Thursday 24 March 2011 - Article by Deborah Orr




It is census day on Sunday and, despite sterling efforts from many interested parties, angry controversy around this quaint operation has not quite been ignited. I particularly enjoyed the attempt to muster a boycott on the grounds that the UK subsidiary of Lockheed Martin, the world's largest arms company, had been contracted (again) to conduct the thing. Because that's what you want, isn't it? To make sure arms companies stay totally focused on their core business, and don't start piddling around in more peaceable activity?

I filled in my household's form with some alacrity, not least because the part of me that will always be a 10-year-old goody-goody schoolgirl simply loves the opportunity to print in lovely, neat, black capitals. It wasn't until after it had been mailed – why not? Keep postpersons employed – that I caught up with the British Humanist Association's plea: "We urge people who do not want to give continuing or even greater importance to unshared religions in our public life to tick 'No Religion' in the census."

Actually, I had ticked "No Religion". But I still don't like the tenor of this instruction. I don't want to stand against "believers". I am still, for my secular sins, a wet multiculturalist, minded to put up with the beliefs I can't share, whenever possible, in the interests of strengthening those that I can. I'm combative and dogmatic by nature, but I don't think these are among the finest of human qualities. I used to be a combative and dogmatic atheist. But then I realised that combat and dogma might be the problem.

Combat especially, of course. It is a popular atheist assertion, the one that says religion causes war. As if humans would never fight over land, or resources, or power, or out of sheer, carnivorous, animal aggression. Humans cause war. So do chimps and bonobos, our close genetic relatives. Perhaps Lockheed Martin is on a religious mission? Yeah, right.

I was in Motherwell, my home town, outside Glasgow, a few weeks back, on the evening that a recent Rangers v Celtic match descended into on- and off-pitch aggression the like of which had not been seen in 20 years. The Old Firm antipathy is characterised as "religious". But really it's tribal. No one goes home pissed and full of anger because the guys that scored the goals believe in transubstantiation. People go home pissed and full of anger because they left home with the intention of getting that way, and had signed up for it as toddlers. And that's not good.

The British Humanist Association is right to identify the segregation of state institutions as a powerful factor in augmenting the sort of antipathy that the Old Firm shelters. It cites a poll of 1,896 people, in which 61% identified with a religious denomination while only 29% said they were religious. The argument is that the statement of "empty" religious identity results in data that is used to justify continued religious privilege in state policy on public services. The real question is why people cling to a religious identity when they have no religious faith. It's the desire, surely, to be in one team, and opposed to another – a cultural need, a human need, even, a need that helped to deliver humans to the top of the food chain, for better, for worse, or for a bit of both.

Despite great effort to find them, human saints are hard to come by. Julian Assange, for example. Good guy? Bad guy? Perfect guy? Flawed guy? How about a mass of contradictions? That's where I really become uncomfortable with humanism. The British Humanist Association says: "Humanists are atheists and agnostics who make sense of the world using reason, experience and shared human values. We take responsibility for our actions and base our ethics on the goals of human welfare, happiness and fulfilment. We seek to make the best of the one life we have by creating meaning and purpose for ourselves, individually and together." Nothing much to complain about there (although a bad person might say words such as "smug" and "piety"). Well, unless you fail to subscribe to the idea that humans are essentially good and wise, rather in the manner that humans tend to characterise the gods they invent and worship.

Mostly, humanism sounds like religion without God, a kind of collective, earnest, well-meaning narcissism. People are welcome to it, if it floats their boat, though the proselytising does demand response, of course. The call to reason forgets that any atheist worth his salt understands that God does exist, but only in the minds of some of those humans who are not entirely and absolutely governed by reason. Which, I would say, is all of us. Few humans live their entire lives in reasonable refusal of all thoughts and deeds that are bad for them, or for others. People often turn to God as a means of helping them to find the discipline to avoid such behaviour. Humanists appear to believe that the opposite is the case. It's dogma – irreligious mumbo-jumbo really – and should not be confused with secularism.

For the fact is that there are plenty of reasons to be relaxed about the attractions of plain secularism, as opposed to humanism. A study, from Northwestern University and the University of Arizona, analysed census data from 85 countries, some of it stretching back a century, and presented it this week at the American Physical Society meeting in Dallas.

In nine countries, Australia, Austria, Canada, the Czech Republic, Finland, Ireland, the Netherlands, New Zealand and Switzerland, the analysis found that there has been a steady rise in the number of people claiming no religious affiliation. Religious belief, in all these countries, is fading slowly away, and organised protest against it does not appear to be the reason for this. Richard Wiener, who led the research, says: "put simply, it shows that social groups have a kind of 'gravity' that drags in more people the bigger they are". The tide of history is running against the religious. Conspiring to help that powerful tide risks provoking the entrenchment called fundamentalism.

Humanists launch 'no religion' census campaign

Well this raises some interesting questions. First do you collect all census data in one day? Second what does she mean about Lockheed Martin? They are conducting the census or they are fomenting the rebellion against religion? If the first what is a private company doing the governments work for?

The census forms are to be filled in by everyone on Sunday evening next....


A growing number of people are planning to boycott this year's census amid increasing fears about data security and the involvement of arms manufacturer Lockheed Martin.

Many campaigners are angry that the £150m contract to run the census has been awarded to the American arms company while others claim the legal safeguards in place to prevent breaches in data security are "so flimsy as to be useless".

Is your census always taken by a business enterprise? What do you mean campaigners?
Our government takes our census but it is done over a long period of time.
We are not allowed to "opt" out. Of course that doesn't mean that one must be truthful! Ours is taken every ten years on the first year of the decade.

Our census is every ten years also.

It is a government census, but our government is paying the American Arms manufacturer - £150 million - to run it.

The article is not about this though. I found it interesting because of the dilema over which box to tick with regard to religion.

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Well I think they are airplane manufacturers but I am appalled that your government is contracting that out!
I know that is not the point of your post, but just what amazes me more.

That is one of the things being 'campaigned' about - but flogging a dead horse is what I call it.

I really like the bit in the article regarding rival football teams -

I was in Motherwell, my home town, outside Glasgow, a few weeks back, on the evening that a recent Rangers v Celtic match descended into on- and off-pitch aggression the like of which had not been seen in 20 years. The Old Firm antipathy is characterised as "religious". But really it's tribal. No one goes home pissed and full of anger because the guys that scored the goals believe in transubstantiation.

Glasgow Rangers in history were the protestants and Celtic the catholics. It is the same in our small town. In the dim and distant past, Northwich Victoria were protestant and Witton Albion, the catholics. It used to be really funny listening to some of the old men when I worked at the Salvation Army.

That is beyond bizarre that an American arms company has been contracted to conduct Britain's census, but as Penelope says it's not the point of the post.

I would ignore the humanist society propaganda and just answer the census honestly. If you are affiliated with a religion, tick off that box. No religious affiliation, then tick off that box. I can't see any downside to answering honestly. But I can see a downside in going along with a group that attempts to engage the masses in herd mentality. Free thinkers don't belong to no stinkin' group.

Too right. If you are not religious, you should tick 'No Religion' on the census; all else is deception and lies. I will be doing it on the census in Australia this year. What's to debate?

Well, I thought it was interesting.

And it is.

We are currently listening to a book on tape on short car trips; a bio of actor Tom Cruise which is actually interesting listening. Also paid only 50¢ for the tapes. We have just reached the part where the author is talking about scientology.

I have had sort of a negative understanding of this name but without really knowing much about it. If he (author) is correct this is a very scary belief system and they do not believe in God. But fundamentalist, dogmatic? You'd better believe it. Including punishment for malefactors and other bizarre behaviors.

I agree with George though, herd mentality is frightening to me. Especially when adults engage the participation of children in it, like what was done recently in Wisconsin, but really no matter what the issue is, I disagree with strapping a placard on to anyone below the age Of oh, maybe 30? LOL I really mean a child

Scientology is peculiar - I have read one or two of Ron L Hubbard's early books....interesting....but most peculiar.

How many times have I banged on here, this website, about not labelling oneself.....about not labelling what we might perceive as God either. Because when we do, we end up arguing about the label. Like arguing about the menu in a restaurant....its design and the descriptions of the food, instead of just eating the food itself.

I don't eat menus.

What has a restaurant menu got to do with a census form? Your logic is impeccable right up to the point when you state it.

Actually, Penelope made perfect sense. This troll is now banned for having an IQ below our minimum requirement.