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Satan, Venus, Christ and the Gas Giants: A Miltonic Parable 
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Tom, you can't just say the cosmic Christ "is" this or that to the exclusion of other meanings and analogies.


Robert, the zodiac as man is the simplest theory. The zodiac accords with Bible culture and is the principle of organization of Ecclesiastes. It's an object that anyone can see and its human association is traditional. It's the humane structure through which the sun moves. It is the human pattern in the sky -- a logos in the heavens.

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In any case, any such symbolism in the Bible is encoded, which I take to be a strategy by the authors to convey their message in a way that would protect it.


There isn't any encoding -- if one considers the culture of the time. Cultural change conceals sources. Despite creationists, First Genesis is clearly based on astrological thinking:

Sun day: light created;
Moon day: waters separated;
and so on for the rest.

Thanks for the explanation of why Christmas occurs after the solstice.

Tom



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Anyone following this thread ever watch zeitgeist? The first third of the movie is about religion, and how the beginnings of religion have strong astrological and egyptian ties. Or something. I would definitely be interested in Robert's and Frank's interpretation of it.



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I fear Frank has nearly converted me to a version of the Docetist Heresy, the widespread ancient claim that Christ was a spirit but not a man. Except of course that Frank is arguing, I would say invalidly, that the evidence that Christ was not a man implies also that he was not a spirit.


I see no evidence of such a spirit, so no, I do not believe one exists, but just as I cannot prove that there is no god, I make no positive claims in the matter. The same applies here, I make no claims about a possible spirit except that in my opinion it seems unlikely.

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Anyone following this thread ever watch zeitgeist? The first third of the movie is about religion, and how the beginnings of religion have strong astrological and Egyptian ties. Or something. I would definitely be interested in Robert's and Frank's interpretation of it.


Nope… never saw it.

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Anyone following this thread ever watch zeitgeist? The first third of the movie is about religion, and how the beginnings of religion have strong astrological and egyptian ties. Or something. I would definitely be interested in Robert's and Frank's interpretation of it.
Hi Interbane, thanks, I just watched Zeitgeist and you are right, it provides an excellent explanation of the origins of Christianity in Egyptian religion and of how precession of the equinox provides a physical cosmic framework for the world. I liked the reference to Luke 22:10 as a prediction of the Age of Aquarius:
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"8Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, "Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover." 9"Where do you want us to prepare for it?" they asked. 10He replied, "As you enter the city, a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him to the house that he enters,
Wikipedia provides a good summary of Zeitgeist, noting that
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Few film critics have reviewed Zeitgeist, and those that have, have generally been dismissive despite its vast audience of well over 50 million viewers (when Google stopped counting views) and its heavy reliance on factual information supported by references and actual media coverage. Supporters of the film claim that mainstream boycotts are due to the highly incriminating material presented, especially in sections 2&3.



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