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Re: Sam Harris on the absurd morality of Christianity
No transcript?
_________________ “I think one of [James Hoffmeier’s] most important points is that we have unrealistic expectations for what archaeology can offer us as far as ‘proving’ Exodus: ‘After all, what evidence, short of an inscription in a Proto-Canaanite script stating “bricks made by Hebrew slaves” would be considered proof that the Israelites were in Egypt. Archaeology’s ability … is quite limited.’” Jeff Lambert, Editorial Associate, Biblical Archaeological Review. via email January 26, 2010 8:20:58 AM. [email receipiant redacted for privacy reasons. See Thread-The Bible's Buried Secrets for full text.]
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Re: Sam Harris on the absurd morality of Christianity
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stahrwe No transcript?
lol
I watched the video and I now see why you are laughing about the transcript. It was just the same old, unimaginative, talking points. No transcript necessary. Pinch me so I don't fall asleep.
_________________ “I think one of [James Hoffmeier’s] most important points is that we have unrealistic expectations for what archaeology can offer us as far as ‘proving’ Exodus: ‘After all, what evidence, short of an inscription in a Proto-Canaanite script stating “bricks made by Hebrew slaves” would be considered proof that the Israelites were in Egypt. Archaeology’s ability … is quite limited.’” Jeff Lambert, Editorial Associate, Biblical Archaeological Review. via email January 26, 2010 8:20:58 AM. [email receipiant redacted for privacy reasons. See Thread-The Bible's Buried Secrets for full text.]
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Stahrwe signed: No transcript?
Oh, right! Stahrwe's hearing MAY or MAY NOT be up to the task of listening to a video.
Don't tell us that these points are easy to beat... BEAT THEM.
You have never demonstrated any ability to defend your belief on these forums stahrwe. Why should anyone at all give your whack-a-mole responses any consideration?
I not only field silly attacks of creationists, i seek them out and shine a light on them hoping to illuminate the underlying mental laziness in them. Check out the yes. evolution thread, where recently i have sought out conservative creationist talking points, brought them here, and destoryed them for everyone to see.
The arguments speak for themselves, Stahrwe. That's why every time you say something head-splittingly irrational, i point out your history of idiocy with links to past discussions where that same tired horse was beaten and burried months before.
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It's impossible to have a better argument than Stahrwe, his beliefs aren't able to be analyzed using logic. Logic is "flawed" where faith is flawless. If you want something to be true, just have faith in it!!!
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Re: Sam Harris on the absurd morality of Christianity
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I watched the video and I now see why you are laughing about the transcript. It was just the same old, unimaginative, talking points. No transcript necessary. Pinch me so I don't fall asleep.
You're not obligated to respond, but if you aren't going to try to deal with one of the most articulate critics of your worldview, then what are you doing here? There are plenty of other places to compare favorite Bible passages.
I want to hear the best arguments on the other side of any issue I'm interested in, and certainly for any moral position that I find convincing.
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And yet… I have never heard a rational rebuttal for those particular observations…
Maybe you should give this some thought before you drift off?
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I have done so before and have again recently in several other current threads.
Suppose for a moment that we went through a regression process to Adam and Eve. They were the guilty ones so when they disobeyed God zapped them and replaced them with Adam and Eve II, would they fair any better? No, so we end up now with Adam and Eve ^100th. Instead God allowed them to move forward but in a broken world. A world where people get sick, die, hurt each other, but also love each other, show compassion, etc. Which option is better? I think the latter, where we exist and can know God instead of being stuck in Picard's Temporal anamoly.
Ok, given the broken world option, does everyone suffer, or are Christians given special dispensation? Suppose Christians were enchanted some how (that should make Johnson1010 happy since I am using magic language). They never get sick, or die, or get infections, or suffer financial setbacks, or lie, cheat or steal. Then, wouldn't everyone want to be a Christian just to get the bennies? Of course they would. But, we already have a problem with people claiming to be Christians who aren't without any tangible benefits. Further, you are judging blessings based on what happens to Christians and non-Christians in this world. That is wrong. Christians are 'strangers' in this world. You think that the end of your life is the end. Christians know that is not correct. Our real lives just begin after we die. In fact we are dead now. OUr citizenship is not of this world it is of the next. So why should Christians get special treatment here? This is just a very brief summary.
_________________ “I think one of [James Hoffmeier’s] most important points is that we have unrealistic expectations for what archaeology can offer us as far as ‘proving’ Exodus: ‘After all, what evidence, short of an inscription in a Proto-Canaanite script stating “bricks made by Hebrew slaves” would be considered proof that the Israelites were in Egypt. Archaeology’s ability … is quite limited.’” Jeff Lambert, Editorial Associate, Biblical Archaeological Review. via email January 26, 2010 8:20:58 AM. [email receipiant redacted for privacy reasons. See Thread-The Bible's Buried Secrets for full text.]
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stahrwe I have done so before and have again recently in several other current threads.
I said "rational" I did not say lets reference your fairy tale…
Your attempts to date have not been reasonable, rational or logical… in fact you admittedly abandoned logic… so there is no point in trying to claim success here now.
For what it’s worth I agree, your position cannot be logically clarified or reasonably defended.
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stahrwe I have done so before and have again recently in several other current threads.
I said "rational" I did not say lets reference your fairy tale…
Your attempts to date have not been reasonable, rational or logical… in fact you admittedly abandoned logic… so there is no point in trying to claim success here now.
For what it’s worth I agree, your position cannot be logically clarified or reasonably defended.
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Would you please admit that no argument would be acceptable to you?
_________________ “I think one of [James Hoffmeier’s] most important points is that we have unrealistic expectations for what archaeology can offer us as far as ‘proving’ Exodus: ‘After all, what evidence, short of an inscription in a Proto-Canaanite script stating “bricks made by Hebrew slaves” would be considered proof that the Israelites were in Egypt. Archaeology’s ability … is quite limited.’” Jeff Lambert, Editorial Associate, Biblical Archaeological Review. via email January 26, 2010 8:20:58 AM. [email receipiant redacted for privacy reasons. See Thread-The Bible's Buried Secrets for full text.]
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Quite a few arguments are acceptable to Frank. You'll persuade him by basing your arguments on observation, not by basing them on the speculative words of other men. That is no foundation.
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stahrwe Would you please admit that no argument would be acceptable to you?
I cannot admit that, it would be a lie... but I do require quite a bit considering the claims made... they do not match up with the world I experience and as such are extraordinary. Extraordinary claims must be met with superior evidence to have any impact… furthermore any argument must be succinct and logical.
Questions like…
“How can god allow suffering on a scale that is barely comprehendible to a human and still be considered good?”
This must be answered and completely answered.
For example your standard answer only brings up more questions… “Because of original sin”
This does not satisfy your burden of proof because now you must prove that original sin exists… the only way to do that is to have evidence that that particular story is confirmed in history and even then you have to show that things like talking snakes, the tree of life and a talking/walking god are (or at least) were real… The bible does not prove, or even suggest any truth to that story whatsoever no matter how much you personally trust it, or want it to.
Hypothetical questions like what would you have him do? or limits imposed… like he cannot or will not alter free will… only refer back to the original bible stories that are simply not confirmed by anything in reality.
This lack of evidence is not your fault… as Interbane has stated in the past it is just the way things are. But without that type of evidence for each and every claim made (especially the fantastic ones) your arguments will always fail in the intellectual arena.
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Re: Sam Harris on the absurd morality of Christianity
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Quite a few arguments are acceptable to Frank. You'll persuade him by basing your arguments on observation, not by basing them on the speculative words of other men. That is no foundation.
Indeed it is a foundation it is just one which you choose to arbitrarily reject.
If there were no such thing as original sin, then it should be possible to live a sinless life. Show me the person who has done so.
_________________ “I think one of [James Hoffmeier’s] most important points is that we have unrealistic expectations for what archaeology can offer us as far as ‘proving’ Exodus: ‘After all, what evidence, short of an inscription in a Proto-Canaanite script stating “bricks made by Hebrew slaves” would be considered proof that the Israelites were in Egypt. Archaeology’s ability … is quite limited.’” Jeff Lambert, Editorial Associate, Biblical Archaeological Review. via email January 26, 2010 8:20:58 AM. [email receipiant redacted for privacy reasons. See Thread-The Bible's Buried Secrets for full text.]
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