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I just cannot believe they wasted ANY money fighting this!

Wiccan symbol OK'd for Headstones of Fallen Soldiers

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"This settlement has forced the Bush Administration into acknowledging that there are no second class religions in America, including among our nation's veterans," said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, which represented the Wiccans in the lawsuit.


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Post Re: Religious symbols on soldier's headstones
Well Wicca is a highly misunderstood belief system



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Assuming that the federal government pays for these headstones, is this a violation of the establishment clause?


This was a question I had on my mind too. But even I understand that this should not be a thing to fight over. I am totally one for letting people die how they want to die. A grave marker is a symbol of who that person was. Now I would protest if people were getting the full reading of the Our Father or something...

On a side note, I wish we would just stop burying people altogether...it takes up so much darn space...and there will always be more people that have died than are alive, so it can only get worse!

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Post Re: Religious symbols on soldier's headstones
It's also somewhat interesting to note that the Wiccans were being represented by a minister ordained in the Church of Christ.




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Post Re: Religious symbols on soldier's headstones
If there were more people of the Christian faith like him, I would be a more gentle person.

Still...he is Delusional...oops, that was last quarter's discussion!

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Post Re: Religious symbols on soldier's headstones
Rose: Assuming that the federal government pays for these headstones, is this a violation of the establishment clause?

Even if it did violate the establishment clause, and I'm not at all sure it does, this would be one of those cases where free expression should trump establishment.

As a matter of interest, it's my understanding the VA even recognizes the symbol for American Atheists, Inc. for placement on headstones. This is not, by the way, an official symbol for atheists or atheism--no such symbol exists.

It's also worth noting that the ACLU has never objected to such markings on headstones--even though I've seen a few email hoaxes that suggested otherwise.

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Godless in America by George A. Ricker




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