Reasons 11 - 20

Jeremy · Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject:

I know I'm a little late to this party, but on the debate of agnostic atheist, I have to agree with Chris.

An agnostic is one who acknowledges the fact that proof of the existence (or non-existence) of a diety cannot be absolute. Therefore, and agnostic atheist is one who acknowledges this, but is inclined to believe that said diety does not exist.

With that being said, I also think that you can be an agnostic theist. This would be one who is inclined to believe in a higher being, but also acknowledges that proof of its existence cannot be known.

I don't remember in which thread Chris said John sounded like an atheist, but I tend to think he sounds more like an agnostic theist.

Penelope · Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 5:12 am Post subject:

If Chris is an agnostic atheist - just inclined to think that there is no God, how come he is so adamant in calling the ones who have carried on the search for spirituality delusional.

Jeremy · Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:10 am Post subject:

Well, I didn't say that Chris was an agnostic atheist; he did. I was merely agreeing that one can be agnostic and atheist at the same time.

Penelope · Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:32 am Post subject:

Well, Jeremy

I say, if you MUST label yourself - be careful what the label says, and what you come to believe about yourself because of that label.

Other people might misake the 'label' for the 'person'!!!

Chris OConnor · Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:16 am Post subject:

I am agnostic about the possibility of existence of ALL gods. This means that I am not claiming to know that no god of any kind exists. There could be some sort of god somewhere hidden out there in the universe. So I am an agnostic (without knowledge) about the existence of any and all gods. An agnostic atheist is also called a weak atheist.

I am also an atheist because I lack the belief in a god or gods. So I don't KNOW with any certainty that there isn't some sort of a god somewhere out in the cosmos, I sure don't have an actual belief that one exists. Until there is evidence I will not become a believer. This goes for any and all claims. Until a claim is shown to be supported by sufficient evidence I will not believe it. The more extraordinary the claim the more extraordinary the evidence should be for me to believe the claim.

On the other hand I will not actively say, "That claim is nonsense." And I don't do this for the concept that there is some sort of deity somewhere in the cosmos. The only thing I reject outright and call nonsense is specific god-claims that are well-defined or logically impossible or completely unsupported by any evidence at all.

So I am a weak atheist with regards to ANY and ALL gods, but I am a strong atheist with regards to certain god claims. This is why I always try to encourage theists to define their gods.

Penelope · Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:41 am Post subject:

Chris OConnor · Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:34 am Post subject:

Chapter 16: My God Heals Sick People

I've long been fascinated by faith healers and televangelists, but more so for their power to manipulate and control the minds and emotions of the naive audience, than for any true healing powers. Benny Hinn is a real scum bag, to put it mildly. I've studied him for years and years and cannot believe people actually give this fruitloop their hard earned money. It doesn't speak well for the followers.

Page 127 Harrison says something that got my attention:


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