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Someone posted about this in the past. Just thought this would interest everyone here.


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"This study provides further support for the hypothesis that humans and chimpanzees should be in one genus, rather than in two different genera, because we not only share extremely similar genomes, we share similar generation time," said Dr Yi.

Doubts over the chimp's position in the evolutionary tree have been around from the start. In 1775, when scientists first got around to naming the chimpanzee, they noted the similarity with people and placed them next to humans under the genus Homo. But by 1816 chimps had been pushed out into their own genus, Pan, which has survived to this day.

In 1991, the Pulitzer prize-winning ecologist Jared Diamond called humans "the third chimpanzee", setting us alongside the common chimp (Pan troglodytes) and its less aggressive but astoundingly promiscuous cousin, the bonobo (Pan paniscus). By 1999 confusion over the biological status of chimpanzees prompted scientists in New Zealand to join forces with lawyers to petition the country's government to pass a bill conferring "rights" on chimpanzees and other primates. The move drew derision. Roger Scruton, the moral philosopher, asked: "Do we really think that the jails of New Zealand should henceforth be filled with malicious chimpanzees? If not, by what right are they to be exempted from punishment?" New Zealand granted great apes legal protection from animal experimentation. British Home Office guidelines also forbid experiments on chimps, gorillas and orang-utans.





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Post Re: Re-Classifying Chimps?
mr. p. said, "Someone posted about this in the past. Just thought this would interest everyone here."
That someone is me! Actually this subject has come up in two of my posts. This is a subject that I am passionate about. It came up in a thread titled, "chimpanzees"p090.ezboard.com/fbooktalkfrm78.showMessage?topicID=179.topic and in a thread on PyloCode p090.ezboard.com/fbooktalkfrm78.showMessage?topicID=107.topic.
I would like to see a change made. From the snippet of article mr.p. has posted, it is reasonable to hope that such a change would bring discussion of animal rights to a new level. Chimpanzees should be afforded more protection, regardless of their official classification. However, classifying them with homo would surely help the cause.
I'd also like to take the opportunity to drive home a point I've made before in other threads. Not only are chimps closer to humans than the other great apes, but all great apes are closer to humans than monkeys. Chimps are the apes most consistently and incorrectly referred to as monkeys. Consider passing this information on and help stop the confusion! Please, please do not refer to any apes as monkeys!




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Post Re: Re-Classifying Chimps?
More than anything else, I think this argument points out the inherent flaws in the system we use to classify species. On the larger levels it works quite well; kingdoms, phylums, classes, and orders represent clear divisions in taxonomy. But things get a little fuzzy for families and genera (though not for species, since only members of the same species can breed true).

It is also important to remember that humanity is not the only member of genus homo, simply the only surviving member. We have an excellent understanding of species such as homo erectus and homo habilis, and the argument of whether to classify Neanderthals as homo neanderthalus or homo sapiens neanderthalus is still fairly heated. All of these species, however, were much closer relatives of man than chimpanzees are. Australopithecus afarensis is closer too, yet I see no one clamoring for a reclassification there.

My suspicion is that a large part of the impetus here is emotional as opposed to rational. People who come to know chimps can form stong bonds with them; this is unsurprising, as I've formed some pretty powerful bonds with cats and dogs in my day (and they are relatives considerably more distant). But scientific classification isn't about "we really like you, so welcome to our genus!", nor is it about protecting animals from experimentation. The only reason for reclassification is if one can show definitively that genus pans was a mistake and that chimps are as closely related to us as the other (extinct) members of genus homo. And doing so would mean reclassifying other species too, most notably the aforementioned australopithecus afarensis and its cousin australopithecus robustus.

It is a very, very interesting topic. Exactly the kind of thing I love to see in our science forum.


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I am reading up on this now..."The First Chimpanzee" by Gribbin and Cherefas (sp?). It is a very interesting topic.

From what I have read, which is NOT very voluminous, I would tend to think that this is NOT emotional, but based on the similarities between our DNA.

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