Online reading group and book discussion forum
View unanswered posts | View active topics It is currently Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:24 am

<< Week of December 18, 2014 >>
Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday
18 Day Month

19 Day Month

20 Day Month

21 Day Month

22 Day Month

23 Day Month

24 Day Month

Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 4 posts ] • Topic evaluate: Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average. 
Vladimir Nabokov: Hurricane Lolita - (Page 70 of Arguably) 
Author Message
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership Hall of Fame Owner
Diamond Contributor 3

Joined: May 2002
Posts: 14264
Location: Florida
Thanks: 2202
Thanked: 871 times in 679 posts
Gender: Male
Country: United States (us)
Highscores: 8

Post Vladimir Nabokov: Hurricane Lolita - (Page 70 of Arguably)
Vladimir Nabokov: Hurricane Lolita - (Page 70 of Arguably)

Please join us in reading and discussing Arguably: Essays by Christopher Hitchens!

Arguably is a collection of essays by Christopher Hitchens. Each thread in this book discussion forum is named after the title of one of the essays in Arguably. The page number where the essay starts is included in the thread title to make finding it within the book easy.

Read all of the essays in order or jump around and read only the essays that interest you. Please keep your comments in the appropriate threads.

We generated $419.10 in donations for Christmas gifts for the kids at the Cleveland Christian Home this year. Thank you so much for helping make their Christmas a bit brighter! The gifts have been ordered from and I've posted the invoice.

Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:28 pm
Profile Email YIM WWW
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
Holy Smokes I'm Great

Silver Contributor

Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 1614
Location: Hampton, Ga
Thanks: 240
Thanked: 305 times in 232 posts
Gender: Male
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: Vladimir Nabokov: Hurricane Lolita - (Page 70 of Arguably)
eh, I guess I was waiting for RT to kick things off but it doesn't look like he cares to comment. I don't really have anything to say about this article other than the age thing got me wondering. I started to wonder not only about how young is too young but that there isn't a law on how old someone is to keep you from having sex with them.

I think it's far more disgusting to have sex with a 90 year old than a 15 year old, isn't it? Maybe it's just me. Why aren't there laws against having sex with such old people? Aren't they probably not really all there in the head anymore? What if they were rich? We have moral laws against prostitution... what would stop us from making moral laws concerning old people having sex with people, say, 40 years their junior? With all the pills out there and with people living longer, I think this is a concern we should all have. :wheelcha:

Sat Oct 22, 2011 6:16 pm
Profile Email YIM
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
Better Thread Count than Your Best Linens

Silver Contributor

Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 626
Thanks: 42
Thanked: 72 times in 56 posts
Gender: None specified

Post Re: Vladimir Nabokov: Hurricane Lolita - (Page 70 of Arguably)
I think it's far more disgusting to have sex with a 90 year old than a 15 year old, isn't it?

This is precisely why we don't need any laws against it. Also, who would it bother anyway?

Your comments about age got me thinking about the book I just finished, Emma by Jane Austen. A far cry from Lolita, but when George Knightly professes his love for Emma and admits to probably being in love with her since she was 13, which would have made him around 29 or 30 at the time, I felt it a little creepy. In this book, I believe this is supposed to prove the depths of his love, the endurance of it, but for this day and age, and in our culture of today it is looked on differently. A 29 year man hanging around a 13 year old waiting for her to be old enough for him to marry?

It is interesting because a 13 year old girl can physically developed and look not much different than a 19 year old, or she could still look quite child like. I think what is so disgusting about Lolita is the fact that Lolita, who is younger than 13, is very much still a child, not a woman at all, that much is very clear, and so the sexual attraction seems very perverted. I found it quite disturbing when I read it the first time and did not think I'd ever want to read it again. Hitchens comments about seeing something different with each reading did make me have second thoughts about this.

I have also read Reading Lolita in Tehran, but at the time of reading it, I had not yet read Lolita. (It was, in fact, what led me to reading Lolita.) I can see that growing up in culture that regularly married off very young girls to older men and a culture where women were used to having very little power would have quite a different view of the book.

Mon Oct 24, 2011 7:28 pm
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
Holy Smokes I'm Great

Silver Contributor

Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 1614
Location: Hampton, Ga
Thanks: 240
Thanked: 305 times in 232 posts
Gender: Male
Country: United States (us)

Post Re: Vladimir Nabokov: Hurricane Lolita - (Page 70 of Arguably)
Exactly. I totally agree... culture. The ancient Greeks practiced pederasty which is waaaaay more disgusting than having heterosexual sex with a minor as far as I'm concerned. The Persians did this, too. Alexander the Great had a boy which, if I recall, was made a present to him. This man's name was Bagoas and he was a Eunuch. Remember this practice??? Only by historical reference, right? You've never actually heard of this in modern times. These boys were castrated and made to be catamites. My spell correct doesn't even recognize that word. They did this to try and keep their effeminacy. You should read some of the texts concerning this. I'll not go into it here and that says a lot if you know me. I've read some pretty disturbing things in my little journey through history but it's opened my eyes to "culture". Even more so, despite all the overwhelming evidence... and I mean graphic detail by ancient historians... modern historians still want to believe that the actual physical relationship probably didn't occur. Again, 'culture'.

Getting married to and having heterosexual intercourse with underage minors is nothing new. That's not to say it isn't 'wrong', though. We're a society which likes to cite past precedent as legitimate behavior carte blanche... as in 'our Founding Fathers'. This is a good example where this system fails us (as in slavery, or women's suffrage (who allowed them to vote, really, c'mon!!!))

This type of intercourse is solely about domination, control, and self gratification at the physical and psychological expense of the minor. Geez, I wish I could accurately remember the author but there was a man in who knows when B.C. that was killed by his boy for asking, "aren't you pregnant yet?".

I'd hate to go into it further because this is a touchy subject with me. I'm usually ok with discussing pretty much everything and I do try to explore all angles of an argument but this just feels very wrong. I think minors should be held sacred. If they want to experiment with each other then fine, whatever. I don't think adults should be allowed to touch them and if any person in any authoritative position touches them (parent, uncle, teacher, congressman) there should be a trial in which their life would hang on the decision of a jury.

But!!! I don't think there's anything wrong with an older female touching a younger male unless she be related by blood. Go get'em ladies!!! :D

Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:17 pm
Profile Email YIM
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 4 posts ] • Topic evaluate: Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average. 

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:

Recent Posts 
Are Mediums Real?

Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:25 am


Christmas memories... annoying relatives... favorite song...

Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:20 am


Have you investigated Gnostic Christianity?

Thu Dec 18, 2014 9:30 am

Gnostic Bishop

Dawkins/Harris - Anti-theists, Not Atheists

Thu Dec 18, 2014 9:11 am

Gnostic Bishop

Ebola, Do We Have a Reason to Be Afraid?

Wed Dec 17, 2014 9:32 pm


Help me find this book!

Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:00 pm


My intro to other book lovers!

Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:54 pm


Henry IV (Part 1), Act 3

Wed Dec 17, 2014 1:54 pm


Ch. 7: From Beliefs to Behavior

Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:49 am


Ch. 1: Rewriting the Ten Commandments

Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:15 am


Suggesting the fiction book TROPIC OF CANCER by Henry Miller

Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:55 pm


What Scientists Really Do

Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:48 pm


The Times of Israel reviews thriller Smokescreen

Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:14 pm

khaled Talib

The Examiner reviews Singapore author's spy novel

Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:35 pm

khaled Talib

begging the question

Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:26 pm


King Henry 4 part 1 parting shots

Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:11 pm


From Fearful to Joyful: An Inspiring Journey of Faith and Love

Tue Dec 16, 2014 12:06 pm


Close To Hell

Tue Dec 16, 2014 11:30 am


Billion + believe in Satan. Should all schools be mandated to teach Creationism?

Tue Dec 16, 2014 11:12 am

Gnostic Bishop

Is God the epitome of both good and evil?

Tue Dec 16, 2014 11:03 am

Gnostic Bishop Links 
Forum Rules & Tips
Frequently Asked Questions
BBCode Explained
Info for Authors & Publishers
Featured Book Suggestions
Author Interview Transcripts
Be a Book Discussion Leader!

Love to talk about books but don't have time for our book discussion forums? For casual book talk join us on Facebook.

Featured Books


Yes  83%  [5]
No  16%  [1]
Total votes: 6

Books by New Authors

Visual Help for Getting Started

Top Posters

Of all time: Chris OConnor (14264), Interbane (5667), DWill (4988), stahrwe (4610), Robert Tulip (4312), Mr. Pessimistic (3542), johnson1010 (3342), geo (3309), ant (3159), Penelope (2971), Saffron (2859), Suzanne (2503), Frank 013 (2021), Dissident Heart (1796), bleachededen (1680), President Camacho (1614), Ophelia (1543), Dexter (1465), youkrst (1383), tat tvam asi (1298)

Of the last 24 hrs: Gnostic Bishop (7), danimorg62 (5), Flann 5 (3), geo (3), youkrst (2), Cattleman (2), Interbane (2), avid_reader (2), Taylor (1), Robert Tulip (1) is a free book discussion group or online reading group or book club. We read and talk about both fiction and non-fiction books as a group. We host live author chats where booktalk members can interact with and interview authors. We give away free books to our members in book giveaway contests. Our booktalks are open to everybody who enjoys talking about books. Our book forums include book reviews, author interviews and book resources for readers and book lovers. Discussing books is our passion. We're a literature forum, or reading forum. Register a free book club account today! Suggest nonfiction and fiction books. Authors and publishers are welcome to advertise their books or ask for an author chat or author interview.



King Henry IV, Part 1 - by William ShakespeareAtheist Mind, Humanist Heart - by Lex Bayer and John FigdorSense and Goodness Without God - by Richard CarrierFrankenstein - by Mary ShelleyThe Big Questions - by Simon BlackburnScience Was Born of Christianity - by Stacy TrasancosThe Happiness Hypothesis - by Jonathan HaidtA Game of Thrones - by George R. R. MartinTempesta's Dream - by Vincent LoCocoWhy Nations Fail - by Daron Acemoglu and James RobinsonThe Drowning Girl - Caitlin R. KiernanThe Consolations of the Forest - by Sylvain TessonThe Complete Heretic's Guide to Western Religion: The Mormons - by David FitzgeraldA Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man - by James JoyceThe Divine Comedy - by Dante AlighieriThe Magic of Reality - by Richard DawkinsDubliners - by James JoyceMy Name Is Red - by Orhan PamukThe World Until Yesterday - by Jared DiamondThe Man Who Was Thursday - by by G. K. ChestertonThe Better Angels of Our Nature by Steven PinkerLord Jim by Joseph ConradThe Hobbit by J. R. R. TolkienThe Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas AdamsAtlas Shrugged by Ayn RandThinking, Fast and Slow - by Daniel KahnemanThe Righteous Mind - by Jonathan HaidtWorld War Z: An Oral History of the Zombie War by Max BrooksMoby Dick: or, the Whale by Herman MelvilleA Visit from the Goon Squad by Jennifer EganLost Memory of Skin: A Novel by Russell BanksThe Structure of Scientific Revolutions by Thomas S. KuhnHobbes: Leviathan by Thomas HobbesThe House of the Spirits - by Isabel AllendeArguably: Essays by Christopher HitchensThe Falls: A Novel (P.S.) by Joyce Carol OatesChrist in Egypt by D.M. MurdockThe Glass Bead Game: A Novel by Hermann HesseA Devil's Chaplain by Richard DawkinsThe Hero with a Thousand Faces by Joseph CampbellThe Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor DostoyevskyThe Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark TwainThe Moral Landscape by Sam HarrisThe Decameron by Giovanni BoccaccioThe Road by Cormac McCarthyThe Grand Design by Stephen HawkingThe Evolution of God by Robert WrightThe Tin Drum by Gunter GrassGood Omens by Neil GaimanPredictably Irrational by Dan ArielyThe Wind-Up Bird Chronicle: A Novel by Haruki MurakamiALONE: Orphaned on the Ocean by Richard Logan & Tere Duperrault FassbenderDon Quixote by Miguel De CervantesMusicophilia by Oliver SacksDiary of a Madman and Other Stories by Nikolai GogolThe Passion of the Western Mind by Richard TarnasThe Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula K. Le GuinThe Genius of the Beast by Howard BloomAlice's Adventures in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll Empire of Illusion by Chris HedgesThe Sound and the Fury by William Faulkner The Extended Phenotype by Richard DawkinsSmoke and Mirrors by Neil GaimanThe Selfish Gene by Richard DawkinsWhen Good Thinking Goes Bad by Todd C. RinioloHouse of Leaves by Mark Z. DanielewskiAmerican Gods: A Novel by Neil GaimanPrimates and Philosophers by Frans de WaalThe Enormous Room by E.E. CummingsThe Picture of Dorian Gray by Oscar WildeGod Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything by Christopher HitchensThe Name of the Rose by Umberto Eco Dreams From My Father by Barack Obama Paradise Lost by John Milton Bad Money by Kevin PhillipsThe Secret Garden by Frances Hodgson BurnettGodless: How an Evangelical Preacher Became One of America's Leading Atheists by Dan BarkerThe Things They Carried by Tim O'BrienThe Limits of Power by Andrew BacevichLolita by Vladimir NabokovOrlando by Virginia Woolf On Being Certain by Robert A. Burton50 reasons people give for believing in a god by Guy P. HarrisonWalden: Or, Life in the Woods by Henry David ThoreauExile and the Kingdom by Albert CamusOur Inner Ape by Frans de WaalYour Inner Fish by Neil ShubinNo Country for Old Men by Cormac McCarthyThe Age of American Unreason by Susan JacobyTen Theories of Human Nature by Leslie Stevenson & David HabermanHeart of Darkness by Joseph ConradThe Stuff of Thought by Stephen PinkerA Thousand Splendid Suns by Khaled HosseiniThe Lucifer Effect by Philip ZimbardoResponsibility and Judgment by Hannah ArendtInterventions by Noam ChomskyGodless in America by George A. RickerReligious Expression and the American Constitution by Franklyn S. HaimanDeep Economy by Phil McKibbenThe God Delusion by Richard DawkinsThe Third Chimpanzee by Jared DiamondThe Woman in the Dunes by Abe KoboEvolution vs. Creationism by Eugenie C. ScottThe Omnivore's Dilemma by Michael PollanI, Claudius by Robert GravesBreaking The Spell by Daniel C. DennettA Peace to End All Peace by David FromkinThe Time Traveler's Wife by Audrey NiffeneggerThe End of Faith by Sam HarrisEnder's Game by Orson Scott CardThe Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time by Mark HaddonValue and Virtue in a Godless Universe by Erik J. WielenbergThe March by E. L DoctorowThe Ethical Brain by Michael GazzanigaFreethinkers: A History of American Secularism by Susan JacobyCollapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed by Jared DiamondThe Battle for God by Karen ArmstrongThe Future of Life by Edward O. WilsonWhat is Good? by A. C. GraylingCivilization and Its Enemies by Lee HarrisPale Blue Dot by Carl SaganHow We Believe: Science, Skepticism, and the Search for God by Michael ShermerLooking for Spinoza by Antonio DamasioLies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them by Al FrankenThe Red Queen by Matt RidleyThe Blank Slate by Stephen PinkerUnweaving the Rainbow by Richard DawkinsAtheism: A Reader edited by S.T. JoshiGlobal Brain by Howard BloomThe Lucifer Principle by Howard BloomGuns, Germs and Steel by Jared DiamondThe Demon-Haunted World by Carl SaganBury My Heart at Wounded Knee by Dee BrownFuture Shock by Alvin Toffler

Banned Book ListOur SalesMassimo Pigliucci Rationally SpeakingOnline Reading GroupTop 10 Atheism BooksFACTS Book Selections

Copyright © 2002-2014. All rights reserved.
Website developed by
Display Pagerank