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Post Public schools should teach scientific fact, not religious faith
This Op-Ed appeared recently in our local newspaper.

Public schools should teach scientific fact, not religious faith

Anyone who wonders why the United States lags behind so many other nations in science literacy would know one reason why had he attended a recent forum of Buncombe County candidates for the state House of Representatives.

When asked whether the General Assembly should be involved in the issue of teaching creationism or evolution in public schools, not one of the five candidates who attended would say flatly that creationism should not be taught. Republican Tim Moffitt did not attend, though he showed up for a meet-and-greet afterward.

Democrat Jane Whilden said “both sides should be taught and discussed.” Democrats Susan Fisher and Patsy Keever said the matter should be left up to the state Board of Education. Republicans Mark Crawford and John Carroll stressed their Christian faith. Crawford said such decisions should be made by local boards.

There are not two sides to the issue; there is only one. Evolution is a scientific theory that has been validated time and again over the century and a half since it was promulgated by Charles Darwin.

Creationism is a religious doctrine based on a literal reading of the first chapter of Genesis.

Are these office-seekers so ignorant they do not know this? Or, and this is more likely, were they dodging the question in order to avoid the wrath of the creationists? In either case, it was a sorry performance.

Falling back on one's Christian faith is no answer. While creationists are Christians, most Christians are not creationists.

Pseudoscience makes inroads because of two common misunderstandings about science. The first is that a theory is nothing more than an idea that popped into someone's head. The second is that science deals in certainties.

The best of the many definitions given for “theory” in Webster's Third New International Dictionary is “the coherent set of hypothetical, conceptual and pragmatic principles forming the general frame of reference for a field of inquiry.” That's a lot more than a guess, even an educated guess.

Any field of inquiry is full of uncertainties. A century after he set forth the theory of relativity, Einstein's concept still is subject to testing to see if it works under all circumstances. This is the “normal science” set out by Thomas S. Kuhn in his seminal book “The Structure of Scientific Revolutions.”

Results that do not fit the theory may cause a theory to be amended, but they do not automatically disprove the theory. Evolutionary theory has been adjusted constantly in response to such developments as the rediscovery of Mendelian genetics and the unearthing of various fossils, but the core principle that new species arise out of existing species through natural selection — the survival of the fittest — remains unassailable.

The most recent assessment among the 30 nations of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development showed the U.S. 17th in science literacy. Margaret Spellings, then the U.S. secretary of education, said the results show the need for “more rigor … additional resources … and stronger math and science education.”

None of that will help if students are not taught the difference between science and religion, and that will not happen as long as our leaders are unable or afraid to speak out.

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Post Re: Public schools should teach scientific fact, not religious faith
I think that understates the case -- if there is such a thing as an empirical fact then evolution is a fact. There is simply no other way to interpret an overwhelming amount of evidence. There are things that scientists don't know about evolution, but that has the same significance as saying there are things that scientists don't know about stars.



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geo, I envy you for your local paper. You should see mine.



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I think that understates the case -- if there is such a thing as an empirical fact then evolution is a fact. There is simply no other way to interpret an overwhelming amount of evidence. There are things that scientists don't know about evolution, but that has the same significance as saying there are things that scientists don't know about stars.


It is amazing that so many people still resist the idea of evolution. I suppose the flat earth and geocentrism were also dispatched with much reluctance. New ideas, even when they are supported overwhelmingly with evidence, take time to gain acceptance.


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geo, I envy you for your local paper. You should see mine.


Our town is fairly progressive. Still, I was kind of surprised to see this editorial because we are smack dab in the middle of the Bible belt.


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I really hate the "it's just a theory" argument. Gravity is "just a theory" then. The planets revolving around the sun? Just a theory. :roll:


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Post Re: Public schools should teach scientific fact, not religious faith
This is why i could never get elected.

I would tell them then and there that creationism was bullshit.

It is not just a shame that we cannot call bullshit when we step in something warm, gooey, brown and smelly. It's a potential catastrophe.

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Or, as Ricky Gervais said at the Golden Globe's: Thank god for making me an atheist :-)


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The problem with western religions is that everyone forgot they are mythology. Joseph Campbell explains this well. People who have not yet developed the ability to think for themselves need warm fuzzy mythology, children especially. Good religions start a person on a path until they don't need training wheels anymore...learnign clear thinking. What to do with a world of humans who don't think they are part of nature? Darwin I submit is a bit wrong about "survival of the fittest" at least as I get it from most people. Nature is full niches for every imaginable species, infinite diversity. Species do go extinct naturally, but over thousands of years. The strongest of a particular species lives on but not at the expense of the rest of the environment. This obviously leads to ecological crash and is not sustainable homeostatic balanced nature; over time balance will be found again by necessity. Most of us suffer from constant reinforcement of bible ethics, subtly in casual conversation. Its clear to me that western religion should become something people graduate from and no longer practice as they reach adulthood...except as a parent perhaps. The scientific method and finding the truth of natures laws is what we need to adapt ourselves to. I am also pretty sure taking care of our symbiotic environment restores people to sanity...when someone proves this scientifically/mathematically and teaches it as psychology that would be a significant improvement.



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What to do with a world of humans who don't think they are part of nature? Darwin I submit is a bit wrong about "survival of the fittest" at least as I get it from most people. Nature is full niches for every imaginable species, infinite diversity. Species do go extinct naturally, but over thousands of years. The strongest of a particular species lives on but not at the expense of the rest of the environment. This obviously leads to ecological crash and is not sustainable homeostatic balanced nature; over time balance will be found again by necessity. Most of us suffer from constant reinforcement of bible ethics, subtly in casual conversation. Its clear to me that western religion should become something people graduate from and no longer practice as they reach adulthood...except as a parent perhaps. The scientific method and finding the truth of natures laws is what we need to adapt ourselves to. I am also pretty sure taking care of our symbiotic environment restores people to sanity...when someone proves this scientifically/mathematically and teaches it as psychology that would be a significant improvement.


Thanks, Preposterous,

To me this is the most damaging aspect of religion, that we have a special place in the cosmos, are better than animals, have dominion over, etc. Very dangerous and incredibly arrogant way of thinking, all to support fantasies of the hereafter.

I have never heard the idea of religion as training wheels. Could you clarify that and how you relate ecological niche with Bible ethics? Not sure what you mean.

I'm glad you mentioned Joseph Campbell though. I'm long overdue to read The Hero With A Thousand Faces.


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Hey Geo, thanks for the reply. Ecological niches are filled and created by species who "adapt". I am criticizing Darwin as I normally get it. Nature is not consistently a fight for dominance, my cat doesn't want all birds to die. I am going to have to read more darwin directly to educate my comments here. But, evolution is generally contrasted against the bible, so that is the connection I make. Ecotheology and writers like Lynn White are interesting places to look for an improved religious view of nature. And taoism of course. Is there a problem of removing all mythology for children and people who look to it for support? Their might be...but mythology definitely doesn't need to be obeyed as dogma, especially by educated adults. IMO everyday life should properly be considered a spiritual experience, and it can have that quality ... but the social forces that compel us are purposely designed to attack our security and self esteem. People demand of me that I act selfishly and self promote with superficial egotism...because thats what they do and thats TV. I consider this social pathology, and it is ubiquitous. Training wheels is probably a bad metaphor except in some eastern religions who will flatly state the goal is not faith and belief at all, just the opposite. See and experience the world first hand authentically. The Dali Lama has said often that Tibetan Buddhism must adapt to science, not the other way around. But why are we so dumb? Social responsibility for the feelings of conditioned obedient people who get their value from hierarchies is the bane of my existence and never fails to send me back into ignorance. I quite often have to allow violent absurdities to rein supreme in order to keep my job. What to do about this?



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Public schools should teach politicians scientific facts. I was shocked that during the last presidential election many of the candidates did not believe in evolution . It would be like electing a President who thinks the world is flat or that the sun revolves around the earth.I vote that all candidates running for any public office be required to pass a college level biology class that's not taught at one of our fine religious universities.



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Public schools should teach politicians scientific facts. I was shocked that during the last presidential election many of the candidates did not believe in evolution . It would be like electing a President who thinks the world is flat or that the sun revolves around the earth.I vote that all candidates running for any public office be required to pass a college level biology class that's not taught at one of our fine religious universities.


People interested in power are generally not interested in objectivity or facts. There are exceptions for people who wish to teach. Is Obama an exception? He compromises again and again, and avoids conflict. And the end of the day does he still stand for something... or is he just a moderator. It seems to me he would likely validate both sides of the argument.



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