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CHAPTER II - The Pool of Tears


`Curiouser and curiouser!' cried Alice (she was so much surprised, that for the moment she quite forgot how to speak good English); `now I'm opening out like the largest telescope that ever was!

Good-bye, feet!' (for when she looked down at her feet, they seemed to be almost out of sight, they were getting so far off).

`Oh, my poor little feet, I wonder who will put on your shoes and stockings for you now, dears? I'm sure I shan't be able! I shall be a great deal too far off to trouble myself about you: you must manage the best way you can; --but I must be kind to them,' thought Alice, `or perhaps they won't walk the way I want to go! Let me see: I'll give them a new pair of boots every Christmas.'


And she went on planning to herself how she would manage it. `They must go by the carrier,' she thought; `and how funny it'll seem, sending presents to one's own feet! And how odd the directions will look!

ALICE'S RIGHT FOOT, ESQ.
_____ HEARTHRUG,
______ NEAR THE FENDER,
_______ (WITH ALICE'S LOVE).

Oh dear, what nonsense I'm talking!'

Just then her head struck against the roof of the hall: in fact she was now more than nine feet high, and she at once took up the little golden key and hurried off to the garden door.

Poor Alice! It was as much as she could do, lying down on one side, to look through into the garden with one eye; but to get through was more hopeless than ever: she sat down and began to cry again.

`You ought to be ashamed of yourself,' said Alice, `a great girl like you,' (she might well say this), `to go on crying in this way! Stop this moment, I tell you!' But she went on all the same, shedding gallons of tears, until there was a large pool all round her, about four inches deep and reaching half down the hall.
After a time she heard a little pattering of feet in the distance, and she hastily dried her eyes to see what was coming.It was the White Rabbit returning, splendidly dressed, with a pair of white kid gloves in one hand and a large fan in the other: he came trotting along in a great hurry, muttering to himself as he came, `Oh! the Duchess, the Duchess! Oh! won't she be savage if I've kept her waiting!'

Alice felt so desperate that she was ready to ask help of any one; so, when the Rabbit came near her, she began, in a low, timid voice, `If you please, sir--'
The Rabbit started violently,

dropped the white kid gloves
and the fan,

and skurried away into the darkness as hard as he could go.

Alice took up the fan and gloves, and, as the hall was very hot, she kept fanning herself all the time she went on talking: `Dear, dear! How queer everything is to-day! And yesterday things went on just as usual. I wonder if I've been changed in the night? Let me think: was I the same when I got up this morning? I almost think I can remember feeling a little different. But if I'm not the same, the next question is, Who in the world am I? Ah, THAT'S the great puzzle!' And she began thinking over all the children she knew that were of the same age as herself, to see if she could have been changed for any of them.

`I'm sure I'm not Ada,' she said, `for her hair goes in such long ringlets, and mine doesn't go in ringlets at all; and I'm sure I can't be Mabel, for I know all sorts of things, and she, oh! she knows such a very little! Besides, SHE'S she, and I'm I, and--oh dear, how puzzling it all is! I'll try if I know all the things I used to know. Let me see: four times five is twelve, and four times six is thirteen, and four times seven is--oh dear! I shall never get to twenty at that rate! However, the Multiplication Table doesn't signify: let's try Geography. London is the capital of Paris, and Paris is the capital of Rome, and Rome--no, THAT'S all wrong, I'm certain! I must have been changed for Mabel! I'll try and say "How doth the little-- "' and she crossed her hands on her lap as if she were saying lessons, and began to repeat it, but her voice sounded hoarse and strange, and the words did not come the same as they used to do:--

`How doth the little crocodile
Improve his shining tail,
And pour the waters of the Nile
On every golden scale!

`How cheerfully he seems to grin,
How neatly spread his claws,
And welcome little fishes in
With gently smiling jaws!'

`I'm sure those are not the right words,' said poor Alice, and her eyes filled with tears again as she went on, `I must be Mabel after all, and I shall have to go and live in that poky little house, and have next to no toys to play with, and oh! ever so many lessons to learn! No, I've made up my mind about it; if I'm Mabel, I'll stay down here! It'll be no use their putting their heads down and saying "Come up again, dear!" I shall only look up and say "Who am I then? Tell me that first, and then, if I like being that person, I'll come up: if not, I'll stay down here till I'm somebody else"--but, oh dear!' cried Alice, with a sudden burst of tears, `I do wish they WOULD put their heads down! I am so VERY tired of being all alone here!'

As she said this she looked down at her hands, and was surprised to see that she had put on one of the Rabbit's little white kid gloves while she was talking. `How CAN I have done that?' she thought. `I must be growing small again.' She got up and went to the table to measure herself by it, and found that, as nearly as she could guess, she was now about two feet high, and was going on shrinking rapidly: she soon found out that the cause of this was the fan she was holding, and she dropped it hastily, just in time to avoid shrinking away altogether.

`That WAS a narrow escape!' said Alice, a good deal frightened at the sudden change, but very glad to find herself still in existence; `and now for the garden!' and she ran with all speed back to the little door: but, alas! the little door was shut again, and the little golden key was lying on the glass table as before, `and things are worse than ever,' thought the poor child, `for I never was so small as this before, never! And I declare it's too bad, that it is!'

As she said these words her foot slipped, and in another moment, splash! she was up to her chin in salt water. He first idea was that she had somehow fallen into the sea, `and in that case I can go back by railway,' she said to herself. (Alice had been to the seaside once in her life, and had come to the general conclusion, that wherever you go to on the English coast you find a number of bathing machines in the sea, some children digging in the sand with wooden spades, then a row of lodging houses, and behind them a railway station.) However, she soon made out that she was in the pool of tears which she had wept when she was nine feet high.

`I wish I hadn't cried so much!' said Alice, as she swam about, trying to find her way out. `I shall be punished for it now, I suppose, by being drowned in my own tears! That WILL be a queer thing, to be sure! However, everything is queer to-day.'

Just then she heard something splashing about in the pool a little way off, and she swam nearer to make out what it was: at first she thought it must be a walrus or hippopotamus, but then she remembered how small she was now, and she soon made out that it was only a mouse that had slipped in like herself.

`Would it be of any use, now,' thought Alice, `to speak to this mouse? Everything is so out-of-the-way down here, that I should think very likely it can talk: at any rate, there's no harm in trying.' So she began: `O Mouse, do you know the way out of this pool? I am very tired of swimming about here, O Mouse!'
(Alice thought this must be the right way of speaking to a mouse: she had never done such a thing before, but she remembered having seen in her brother's Latin Grammar, `A mouse--of a mouse--to a mouse--a mouse--O mouse!' The Mouse looked at her rather inquisitively, and seemed to her to wink with one of its little eyes, but it said nothing.
`Perhaps it doesn't understand English,' thought Alice; `I daresay it's a French mouse, come over with William the Conqueror.' (For, with all her knowledge of history, Alice had no very clear notion how long ago anything had happened.) So she began again: `Ou est ma chatte?' (Where is my cat?) which was the first sentence in her French lesson-book.

The Mouse gave a sudden leap out of the water, and seemed to quiver all over with fright. `Oh, I beg your pardon!' cried Alice hastily, afraid that she had hurt the poor animal's feelings. `I quite forgot you didn't like cats.'

`Not like cats!' cried the Mouse, in a shrill, passionate voice. `Would YOU like cats if you were me?'

`Well, perhaps not,' said Alice in a soothing tone: `don't be angry about it. And yet I wish I could show you our cat Dinah: I think you'd take a fancy to cats if you could only see her.

She is such a dear quiet thing,' Alice went on, half to herself, as she swam lazily about in the pool, `and she sits purring so nicely by the fire, licking her paws and washing her face--and she is such a nice soft thing to nurse--and she's such a capital one for catching mice--oh, I beg your pardon!' cried Alice again, for this time the Mouse was bristling all over, and she felt certain it must be really offended.

`We won't talk about her any more if you'd rather not.'

`We indeed!' cried the Mouse, who was trembling down to the end of his tail. `As if I would talk on such a subject! Our family always HATED cats: nasty, low, vulgar things! Don't let me hear the name again!'

`I won't indeed!' said Alice, in a great hurry to change the subject of conversation. `Are you--are you fond--of--of dogs?' The Mouse did not answer, so Alice went on eagerly: `There is such a nice little dog near our house I should like to show you! A little bright-eyed terrier, you know, with oh, such long curly brown hair! And it'll fetch things when you throw them, and it'll sit up and beg for its dinner, and all sorts of thins--I can't remember half of them--and it belongs to a farmer, you know, and he says it's so useful, it's worth a hundred pounds! He says it kills all the rats and--oh dear!' cried Alice in a sorrowful tone, `I'm afraid I've offended it again!' For the Mouse was swimming away from her as hard as it could go, and making quite a commotion in the pool as it went.

So she called softly after it, `Mouse dear! Do come back again, and we won't talk about cats or dogs either, if you don't like them!' When the Mouse heard this, it turned round and swam slowly back to her: its face was quite pale (with passion, Alice thought), and it said in a low trembling voice, `Let us get to the shore, and then I'll tell you my history, and you'll understand why it is I hate cats and dogs.'
It was high time to go, for the pool was getting quite crowded with the birds and animals that had fallen into it:

..there were a Duck and a Dodo, a Lory and an Eaglet, and several other curious creatures. Alice led the way, and the whole party swam to the shore.



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I haven't finished the book, but I find it really interesting how Alice considers her changing self in this chapter. When she thinks about herself being changed, she thinks of it in terms of being changed into other children. She doesn't really think about herself growing up or maturing or changing and still being Alice.

Lewis Carroll wrote:
`Dear, dear! How queer everything is to-day! And yesterday things went on just as usual. I wonder if I've been changed in the night? Let me think: was I the same when I got up this morning? I almost think I can remember feeling a little different. But if I'm not the same, the next question is, Who in the world am I? Ah, THAT'S the great puzzle!' And she began thinking over all the children she knew that were of the same age as herself, to see if she could have been changed for any of them.


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Krysondra wrote:
I haven't finished the book, but I find it really interesting how Alice considers her changing self in this chapter. When she thinks about herself being changed, she thinks of it in terms of being changed into other children. She doesn't really think about herself growing up or maturing or changing and still being Alice.

Lewis Carroll wrote:
`Dear, dear! How queer everything is to-day! And yesterday things went on just as usual. I wonder if I've been changed in the night? Let me think: was I the same when I got up this morning? I almost think I can remember feeling a little different. But if I'm not the same, the next question is, Who in the world am I? Ah, THAT'S the great puzzle!' And she began thinking over all the children she knew that were of the same age as herself, to see if she could have been changed for any of them.


Hi Krysondra, I'm glad that you are reading Alice in Wonderland. This point you have raised shows how Lewis Carroll provides a somewhat surreal take on the problem of identity, the assumption that a thing is what it is and not something else. For Alice, the subterranean world of wonderland throws the logic of identity into doubt. As well, this question taps the mythic fear of the changeling, the fairy who substitutes a magic creature for a real baby. We never are completely sure about identity, and in the topsy-turvy framework where the pool of tears becomes full of swimming animals it is not surprising that Alice wonders if perhaps her identity is unstable.



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Post Re: Alice Chapter Two - The Pool of Tears
How doth the little busy Bee
Improve each shining Hour,
And gather Honey all the day
From every opening Flower!

How skilfully she builds her Cell!
How neat she spreads the Wax!
And labours hard to store it well
With the sweet Food she makes.

In Works of Labour or of Skill
I would be busy too:
For Satan finds some Mischief still
For idle Hands to do.

In Books, or Work, or healthful Play
Let my first Years be past,
That I may give for every Day
Some good Account at last. [1715]

This was the poem by Izaac Walton, of which Lewis Caroll's verses here were a parody.

Somehow I like Lewis Caroll so much the more......for parodying these insufferable lines.


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Thanks for the original poem!
I have a question: all of the problems with identity, animate and inanimate (even the roses aren't allowed to keep their natural white--for that matter, the pebbles that are thrown into the house to return Alice to a smaller size aren't allowed to remain pebbles but become cakes)......is this simply a problem of maturity and transcending from childhood to adolescence or a reflection of Carroll's personality and of "trying to find himself"?


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I just thought of something and may be, as one says here in Germany "stepping into a bowl of grease" (=sticking one's foot into one's mouth), but isn't this fear of nothing being as it appears, of instability, one of our primary fears? A reason, perhaps, why we're trying to find out where the universe came from, how stable it is, and whether it is changing; indeed, how dynamic is the world in which we live? Okay, may have gone overbaord here, but.......
A baby panics when looking into its mother's face if she suddenly grimaces or makes an expression it is not used to--"wait a minute! You mean to tell me that even my mother is not necessarily what she seems to be?"
And I agree, Grimm's fairytales are filled with deceiving appearances, changlings, etc. The Harry Potter series makes use of people/beings as well not being who one thinks they are, or appearing as other people.
So who are you to trust if even you yourself, like Alice, keep changing all the time?


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baby panics when looking into its mother's face if she suddenly grimaces or makes an expression it is not used to--"wait a minute! You mean to tell me that even my mother is not necessarily what she seems to be?"


I do think 'Alice' is a special book, that is ' Rabbit Hole' and 'Through the Looking Glass' .

It helps us to see that everyone is trying to 'connect' and with more success at some times than others. We 'choose' our friends and so we can often connect with them more easily than with our families, who are 'thrust upon us', as it were. Anyway, 'Love is touching souls' is not just a banal statement......we learn to trust one another, by instinct and experience, rather than by intellect, perhaps.

Through the Looking Glass, helps us in coming to terms with 'imagery' and our conceptions or mis-conceptions.


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The above quote is about a book by Terry Pratchett -called 'Witches Abroad'......

And I like reading Terry Pratchett for the same reasons that I liked reading Lewis Carroll.

Their books are about absurdity....and yet...they are truthful.


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Ah, so many books to read, so little time.

Penelope, (I might be making another one of those steps into the pot of grease again), since you're from Chesire, any particular reason you know of why the cat bears that name?


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The Manx Cat - (ie Cats from the Isle of Man - have no tail - unlike any other cats)

The Cheshire Cat - Has a Grin - exactly like every other cat!!!

Just another of Lewis Carroll's absurdity pointers....

But he did grow up in the village of Daresbury.....in Cheshire....very near to where I live.

His father was the vicar.....

http://www.daresburycofe.org.uk/


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Thanks for the original poem!
I have a question: all of the problems with identity, animate and inanimate (even the roses aren't allowed to keep their natural white--for that matter, the pebbles that are thrown into the house to return Alice to a smaller size aren't allowed to remain pebbles but become cakes)......is this simply a problem of maturity and transcending from childhood to adolescence or a reflection of Carroll's personality and of "trying to find himself"?

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These are excellent questions. As I see it, Carroll is exposing the confusion of modern life, and the opening this confusion creates for fakery, delusion and absurdity. The common sense of identity in Victorian Britain was in upheaval, with traditional hierarchies destroyed by Empire, traditional beliefs destroyed by Darwinism and Marxism, amidst emerging topsy-turvy social relations caused by the Industrial Revolution and the growth of modern science.

Painting roses red is an absurdist mockery of the middle and upper class pretensions about 'keeping up appearances'. It is like saying 'our identity demands we have red roses, so have them we will even if we destroy them in the process'.



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Penelope, thank you for the link (btw, dogs grin as well, at least all of mine do).
Robert, of course! Yes! I'd completely forgotten about the introduction of Darwinism and Marxism plus the Industrial Revolution. It obviously was a frightening, insecure time. Thanks for setting me right.


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Thank you for that explanation Robert:

I hadn't thought about the turbulent times in which 'Alice' was published. I always think of the First World War as the occurence which changed everything, peoples faith, womens' position in society etc., which of course it did.

I don't know if I have mentioned this, but I collect 'Girls Own Paper'. A magazine for girls and ladies of all stratas in society. Articles for kitchen maids and for debutantes. The magazine ran for 70 years, through two World Wars, and I always think it gives a very good picture of how the times and ideas change. It begins in 1886ish with 'ladies' doing little other than sitting in the drawing room embroidering something dainty. But after the war, they are encouraged to become 'typewriters' or to start businesses - like opening tea-rooms or tea gardens. Of course there weren't many young men left for them to marry, so often two ladies lived and worked together.

The articles and stories are rather pious I suppose, but I find them a breath of fresh air in these liberal times.

Anyway, this is why I hadn't really taken a bird's eye view of the decades just prior to this publication appearing and I'm really grateful to you for the pointer.


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Posted: 40 days ago
by life is a business

Happy New Year!

The 12th Disciple wishes you and yours a Happy New Year. Many of us hope and pray that 2012 will bring better leadership in the government of the United States, better leadership i… more

Posted: 41 days ago
by 12th disciple

Does fiction have a role to play in educating people about real events?

The Cat & The Nightingale Saga, the docu drama version of The Weekend Trippers, also tells Rifleman Ted TaylorÂ’s story but in a slightly different way. It too tells of the… more

Posted: 41 days ago
by carolemct

Out With The Woe Is Me And in With The “Look At Me”

In 2011 I published my book; in the book I outlined 9 Key Principles to Prosperity (happiness).  Like many of you, I walked through 2011 with the Woe is me attitude. When… more

Posted: 41 days ago
by life is a business

Original Thoughts, Do They Exist Anymore?

More and more these days I see people using social media to quote what someone else has said. I see people posting their favorite rappers lyrics, lines from movies and what seems t… more

Posted: 43 days ago
by life is a business

14th December. Wednesday

IÂ’m down the school for the first time today. My friend visited two weeks ago and said it was chaos. They must have heard I was back because everything is tidy and orderly today… more

Posted: 49 days ago
by heledd

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I'm quite positive that everyone who enters this site has the same thing in mind: fear of seeing a world without books, without literature. We see it everyday, more people qui… more

Posted: 51 days ago
by aracelip7

12 December, Monday

For once in my life I step off the plane at Banjul, and donÂ’t get a rush of elation. I went home to see my daughterÂ’s twins safely delivered. They are all well now, but IÂ’m goin… more

Posted: 53 days ago
by heledd

It's the Most Wonderful Time of the Year...For Some.

The 12th Disciple is up and running. We have a page on Facebook if you'd like to come join us for updates and other miscellaneous debris.

Hanukkah runs from the 20th-28th. … more

Posted: 56 days ago
by 12th disciple

Handle Your Business!

Last weekend I witnessed a couple of family members literally fall apart at the seams because of a problem with a couple of their employees. They recently opened a group home, and … more

Posted: 57 days ago
by life is a business





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