Online reading group and book discussion forum
  HOME FORUMS BOOKS LINKS DONATE ADVERTISE CONTACT  
View unanswered posts | View active topics It is currently Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:49 pm

<< Week of November 23, 2014 >>
Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday
23 Day Month

24 Day Month

25 Day Month

26 Day Month

27 Day Month

28 Day Month

29 Day Month





Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 109 posts ] • Topic evaluate: Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8  Next
Satan, Venus, Christ and the Gas Giants: A Miltonic Parable 
Author Message
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
BookTalk.org Hall of Fame

BookTalk.org Moderator
Gold Contributor

Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 5583
Location: California
Thanks: 747
Thanked: 1475 times in 1166 posts
Gender: Male
Country: United States (us)

Post 
Thomas, the link you posted in reply to me was to an attack site of some sort. Do you have another reference?

Also, I had a baby boy! March 1st 2009, 3:54 AM.



Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:41 pm
Profile
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
Likes the book better than the movie


Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 825
Location: Wyse Fork, NC
Thanks: 0
Thanked: 0 time in 0 post
Gender: None specified

Post 
Interbane wrote:
Thomas, the link you posted in reply to me was to an attack site of some sort. Do you have another reference?

Also, I had a baby boy! March 1st 2009, 3:54 AM.


Congratulations on the new baby, Interbane. May you find joy in fatherhood.

There was an error in the URL as posted and I have corrected it:

http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/w ... astes.html

Warning: FortuneCity has added pop-ups to this website. Do not access it unless your computer blocks pop-ups.

You had asked (as I understood) for "an example of a correlation between the bible and the cosmos that is not explained by ancient astronomers putting their findings in text." Ecclesiastes is such an example, and based on no more than naked-eye observation. The sequence of the days of the week in Genesis 1 and the sequence of the Ten Commandments are other examples of ancient cosmology.

Tom



Last edited by Thomas Hood on Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:27 pm, edited 1 time in total.



Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:11 pm
Profile
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
I can has reading?

Gold Contributor

Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 2969
Location: Cheshire, England
Thanks: 235
Thanked: 474 times in 365 posts
Gender: Female
Country: United Kingdom (uk)

Post 
Congratulations and Mazeltopf !!!!!!!

Will you call him David? It being St.David's Day, 1st March?

:up: :up: :up:

My grandaughter is due to be born on 10th April - I'll keep you posted.

Interbane - I thought you were female!!! :oops:

Unlike others on this thread....I don't read the signs! :shock:


_________________
If you fall, I'll be there.

.....Floor


Mon Mar 02, 2009 6:46 am
Profile
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
pets endangered by possible book avalanche

Gold Contributor

Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 4232
Location: Canberra
Thanks: 1167
Thanked: 1221 times in 918 posts
Gender: Male
Country: Australia (au)

Post 
Frank 013 wrote:
Quote:
RT: You are too harsh on the 'unconscious guidance' point, where I may have worded things unclearly.
Well here is my problem…You say that there is a connection between Venus and Satan and that this connection was intended by the writers of Jesus’ time. The connection is through the traits of Vanity and beauty. Satan had not yet been described this way at that time; he was merely God’s prosecutor. It wasn’t until several generations after Jesus was supposed to have died that the change was made. When I brought this to your attention you basically said that that it was not a problem because the UNIVERSE directed Satan’s ultimate description. Am I getting this right?
Frank, I am not proposing that the early Christians identified the physical planet Venus with Satan. Rather, I am trying to develop a scientific theory of mythology, whereby the ideas that find purchase in human culture have a material base, including a cosmic base, that is only partly grasped. Some further explanation of this view of mythology is here.

I take your point that the symbolism of Satan is complex and ambiguous. We can see this in the analogy with Venus, where the pagan Goddess of beauty and love was twisted in Christian puritanism into a symbol of decadence and depravity. The Pythagoreans, who worshiped Venus partly for the mathematical beauty of its regular eight year pentagram cycle, used the five point star pointing downwards as one of their symbols, and this later became the Satanic symbol. It is easy to imagine how the Christians with their fanatically monochrome belief system would have viewed the intricate complexity of Pythagorean lore as Satanic, as the Church Fathers sought to expel beauty from their world along with depravity. Early Christians like Irenaeus and Tertullian were like the Taliban of their day, destroying the classical world as the Taliban dynamited the Buddhas of Bamayan in a frenzy of faith.

This picks up on the ambiguity of the attraction readers find in Milton's Satan as a figure of dynamism and Promethean creativity against the static stupidity of angels like Uriel. Satan says to man that he can be a God, just as the pagans invoked a mysterious participation in divinity. As I read it, an underlying problem is that the church monopolised the right to define God and Satan primarily to serve their temporal political purposes. These definitions did not accord with the perceptions of those outside the hierarchy, hence the sense that Milton's cosmology did not align directly with objective good and evil in the way he portrayed them.

Your claim that the Gospel myth of Satan as the worldly deceiver only emerged after the time of Jesus does not ring true to me. The deceiver is already present along with God's prosecutor in Job. I know you view the Gospels with extreme skepticism, but the range of Satanic references during the life of Jesus include the temptation in the wilderness, the entry of Satan into Judas, and the condemnation of Peter for rejecting the path of the cross (Matt 16:23). The image of Satan as prince of the world worshipping beauty and pleasure seems to me to have quite deep roots. (Incidentally the idea of God's prosecutor also has a Christian resonance in the Dominicans – the hounds of God – and the Inquisition).
Quote:
Quote:
RT: Yes, the cosmos did “back up during the dark ages”.
Then my question would be why? Does the cycle only follow Christian nations? Because the rest of the world (the bulk of the world) was moving along just fine at that time, Asia and the Middle East were making forward progress during those years; North and South America were moving forward as well. Doesn’t the cosmos keep track of those cultures? Later
In fact, the first Christian millennium was a time of the domination of belief around the world, as the major cultures of Europe, Asia and America were in isolation from each other and wrongly believed the universe revolved around them. Europe also made progress during the dark ages, with inventions like armour, castles and the wheelbarrow. The term “back up” was yours, and I partially accept it, while recognising that belief as an organising principal has both positive and negative features.

Back on my theme of Paradise Lost as a rock opera, here is a suitable number for Book XI from those lascivious atheists Bananarama
Quote:
Goddess on the mountain top Burning like a silver flame The summit of beauty and love And Venus was her name She's got it Yeah, baby, she's got it I'm your Venus, I'm your fire At your desire Well, I'm your Venus, I'm your fire At your desire Her weapons were her crystal eyes Making every man a man Black as the dark night she was Got what no-one else had Wa! She's got it Yeah, baby, she's got it I'm your Venus, I'm your fire At your desire Well, I'm your Venus, I'm your fire At your desire Goddess on the mountain top Burning like a silver flame The summit of beauty and love And Venus was her name She's got it Yeah, baby, she's got it I'm your Venus, I'm your fire At your desire Well, I'm your Venus, I'm your fire At your desire


RT



Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:31 pm
Profile Email WWW
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
pets endangered by possible book avalanche

Gold Contributor 2

Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 4962
Location: Berryville, Virginia
Thanks: 1089
Thanked: 1060 times in 828 posts
Gender: Male
Country: United States (us)

Post 
Interbane wrote:
Also, I had a baby boy! March 1st 2009, 3:54 AM.

Congratulations. Other things fade into insignificance....


_________________
Man is an animal suspended in webs of significance that he himself has spun.

Clifford Geertz


Mon Mar 02, 2009 7:20 pm
Profile Email
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
Worthy of Worship


Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 2021
Location: NY
Thanks: 560
Thanked: 171 times in 118 posts
Gender: Male
Country: United States (us)

Post 
Quote:
RT
I know you view the Gospels with extreme skepticism, but the range of Satanic references during the life of Jesus include the temptation in the wilderness, the entry of Satan into Judas, and the condemnation of Peter for rejecting the path of the cross (Matt 16:23).


You must know that any New Testament references you are quoting are far removed from that time period, and that they are copies of copies with many changes added in the interim.

In the time that Jesus was supposed to have lived only the Old Testament (the Torah) had the character named Satan.

In addition, there are no records of Christian writings until at least a generation after the alleged death of Jesus, and those varied greatly in their stories, dogma and rituals until Emperor Constantine ordered the orthodoxy of the religion and the other sects were “purged” some three hundred years later.

Considering that, how can you reasonably claim to know anything about the original intent, writer’s ambitions or specific traits such as education? (You mentioned that Jesus in your opinion was well trained in astronomy despite the fact that there is no mention of this even in the biblical text) how do you feel justified in these claims, especially since we don’t know who wrote any of those works?

Do you not see that beginning with the assumption of Jesus and continuing with each successive unsupported claim you move further and further from probable truth?

Which is, by using a historical Jesus as a starting point, already on very weak footing.

Quote:
RT
In fact, the first Christian millennium was a time of the domination of belief around the world, as the major cultures of Europe, Asia and America were in isolation from each other and wrongly believed the universe revolved around them. Europe also made progress during the dark ages, with inventions like amour, castles and the wheelbarrow. The term “back up” was yours, and I partially accept it, while recognizing that belief as an organizing principal has both positive and negative features.


Some of that was more like reinvention, and much of that has taken over a thousand years, but that is irrelevant; it is clear that by keeping the definition vague… “belief” that nearly any definition can be reasonably asserted.

It can be convincingly argued that any point in human history (even today) has been subject to some form of false belief.

But it does provide a nice little escape from questions like these.

Later


_________________
That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.


Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:11 pm
Profile Email
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
BookTalk.org Hall of Fame

BookTalk.org Moderator
Gold Contributor

Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 5583
Location: California
Thanks: 747
Thanked: 1475 times in 1166 posts
Gender: Male
Country: United States (us)

Post 
Thomas, the link still did not work. A monster jumped out and tried to eat my computer.



Wed Mar 04, 2009 12:59 pm
Profile
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
I can has reading?

Gold Contributor

Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 2969
Location: Cheshire, England
Thanks: 235
Thanked: 474 times in 365 posts
Gender: Female
Country: United Kingdom (uk)

Post 
Quote:
Interbane:
Thomas, the link still did not work. A monster jumped out and tried to eat my computer.


Oh No!! Don't tell me we will have to keep in touch by writing letters!!

Which will then go down in history....so that future generations will be able to see our fragile efforts to 'connect'.

That won't do at all...will it?

I clicked on the link and it was OK. I like Ecclesiastes! Chapter 3 - where there is that poem about old age.

Consider the Lord in the days of thy youth...before....
and then it goes on to describe getting old and doddery....

but it ends with such triumph.....

the golden bowl be broken....the silver cord be loosed and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

Thanks Tom!


_________________
If you fall, I'll be there.

.....Floor


Last edited by Penelope on Wed Mar 04, 2009 4:55 pm, edited 1 time in total.



Wed Mar 04, 2009 1:22 pm
Profile
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
pets endangered by possible book avalanche

Gold Contributor

Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 4232
Location: Canberra
Thanks: 1167
Thanked: 1221 times in 918 posts
Gender: Male
Country: Australia (au)

Post 
Frank 013 wrote:
Quote:
any New Testament references you are quoting are far removed from that time period, and that they are copies of copies with many changes added in the interim. In the time that Jesus was supposed to have lived only the Old Testament (the Torah) had the character named Satan. In addition, there are no records of Christian writings until at least a generation after the alleged death of Jesus, and those varied greatly in their stories, dogma and rituals until Emperor Constantine ordered the orthodoxy of the religion and the other sects were “purged” some three hundred years later. Considering that, how can you reasonably claim to know anything about the original intent, writer’s ambitions or specific traits such as education? (You mentioned that Jesus in your opinion was well trained in astronomy despite the fact that there is no mention of this even in the biblical text) how do you feel justified in these claims, especially since we don’t know who wrote any of those works? Do you not see that beginning with the assumption of Jesus and continuing with each successive unsupported claim you move further and further from probable truth? Which is, by using a historical Jesus as a starting point, already on very weak footing.
Frank, as you point out, there is a massive distinction between the Christ of faith and the Jesus of history. Only the most simplistic faith assumes their unity. The range of opinion extends from belief that Jesus said all things and performed all miracles attributed to him, to acceptance of only some of the sayings and deeds, to your contention that he did not even exist. This debate is only partly relevant to present-day interpretation of the Bible. As Voltaire said of God, if Jesus did not exist it would be necessary to invent him. I personally find your idea that Jesus did not exist as implausible as the idea that man did not go to the moon. I simply cannot imagine the psychological inspiration for such a fervent mass movement resting on original fraud. Yes, historical accuracy was secondary to organisational effectiveness in the priorities of the Gospel writers, but no, this does not imply Jesus did not exist.

My discussion here, linking Christ to the gas giants, is primarily a conceptual image focussed on the universal message of the Christian Trinitarian faith, explaining this message in a way that is compatible with materialist observation, underpinning the cosmic battle described in Paradise Lost. The Zodiacal Age, 2147 years, is I argue the actual period meant in Biblical discussion of ‘the end of the age’. The gas giants are in a cycle which corresponds to one twelfth of this period, in astrological terms the House of the Age (179 years). This cycle is a primary physical structure of our solar system, shown in the wave function of the solar system centre of mass. In ancient times the Age period was estimated variously at 2000, 2160 or 3600 years. The 2160 year estimate is arguably built in to the Revelation concept of the New Jerusalem as a cube with a total of 2160 degrees. Graham Hancock argues the accurate period was known to ancient astronomy, and for example was built in to the architecture of Angkor Wat.

The Gospels were heavily edited for political purposes to improve their acceptability to a broader audience. Part of the conflict between Judaism and Paganism was over the legitimacy of star-worship, as practiced in Egypt, Chaldea and Rome. In saying God was beyond the stars, the monotheist movement, wrongly in my view, inferred that God was not also revealed in the stars, in a typical example of political conflict also extending to matters of obscure doctrine. Hence many Biblical references to the revelation of God in the cosmos are presented in code. I discussed this in my review of DH Lawrence’s book Apocalypse. The presence of these coded references indicates that someone put them there. Whether this was agreed by the historical Jesus or not is a secondary point to whether the cosmology underlying the New Testament, whoever wrote it, is coherent. The ideas of eternity and infinity are so intrinsically linked to the slow majestic movement of the heavens that it can be argued this sense of the cosmic nature of God has a deep central profundity. In Trinitarian terms, we can conceptualise God the Father as the whole universe, God the Son as the manifestation of God in our part of the cosmos (ie the structured cycle of the solar system), and God the Holy Spirit as the reverberative relation between the Father and Son manifest in our world today.
Quote:
It can be convincingly argued that any point in human history (even today) has been subject to some form of false belief.
My point is that belief as an organising principle had its high point one thousand years ago, and has been steadily on the wane due to the rise of knowledge as an organising principle. This general world observation is entirely compatible with and predicted by the cosmology I have presented. In my view, belief will continue in actual dominance until we reach a cusp between the ages, at which point knowledge will become dominant and the sustainability of false belief will break down under the pressures of maintaining a global civilization.
RT



Wed Mar 04, 2009 3:15 pm
Profile Email WWW
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
Worthy of Worship


Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 2021
Location: NY
Thanks: 560
Thanked: 171 times in 118 posts
Gender: Male
Country: United States (us)

Post 
Quote:
RT
As Voltaire said of God, if Jesus did not exist it would be necessary to invent him. I personally find your idea that Jesus did not exist as implausible as the idea that man did not go to the moon.


Then you need to reexamine the evidence (or lack there of) and I never made the claim that he did not exist, I am just saying that there is no evidence that he did, and I apply the same rational to that idea that I do to pink unicorns. In light of no evidence there is no reason for belief.

Quote:
RT
I simply cannot imagine the psychological inspiration for such a fervent mass movement resting on original fraud.


You obviously do not lack for imagination, so you must not be giving equal credibility to the theories that regard Jesus as myth due to prejudice, the myth theories are in fact superior to the historical Jesus theories because they are in perfect sync with the evidence at hand, no assumptions need be made.

And the myth was not necessarily fraud; it is very possible that it was a misunderstanding of cultural parable by non-Jewish readers.

What is truly unimaginable in this case is that a man like the supposed Jesus could manage to evade being recorded by anyone until a full generation after his own death, and even then there was no cohesive description of himself (there is no description of Jesus written anywhere in the biblical text) or his deeds.

Early stories of Jesus range from him being a spirit who confronted evil in the heavens; to stories of a man who had sex with Mary and then sprouted a woman from his side and drank his own semen.

Some early sects had ritual sex and drank their semen as described in the text.

Imagine if that were the script that made it into the cannon! :crazy:

I wonder if they would substitute milk for the semen like some denominations do with grape juice for wine?

I digress… anyway other early hero’s were equally as popular and just as likely fictional, Hercules, and Mithra are but two that were massively popular at that time.

Quote:
RT
Yes, historical accuracy was secondary to organizational effectiveness in the priorities of the Gospel writers, but no, this does not imply Jesus did not exist.


There is plenty of evidence that shows the strong likelihood that Jesus never walked the earth, of course you have to look at it fairly to see it for what it is.

And if your going to base an entire theory off of this myth you should know all you can about it.

Later


_________________
That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.


Wed Mar 04, 2009 5:00 pm
Profile Email
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
Likes the book better than the movie


Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 825
Location: Wyse Fork, NC
Thanks: 0
Thanked: 0 time in 0 post
Gender: None specified

Post 
Penelope wrote:
Quote:
Interbane:
Thomas, the link still did not work. A monster jumped out and tried to eat my computer.


Oh No!! Don't tell me we will have to keep in touch by writing letters!!

Which will then go down in history....so that future generations will be able to see our fragile efforts to 'connect'.

That won't do at all...will it?

I clicked on the link and it was OK. I like Ecclesiastes! Chapter 3 - where there is that poem about old age. . .


Thanks for looking at this baby of mine, Penelope. (Maybe Interbane will post a baby picture.) Chapter 12, as I remember.

I am using a computer that automatically blocks pop-ups and other dangerous content. Maybe you are too, but Interbane isn't and that's why he's attacked by a monster. Sorry Interbane.

Tom



Wed Mar 04, 2009 5:28 pm
Profile
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
I can has reading?

Gold Contributor

Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 2969
Location: Cheshire, England
Thanks: 235
Thanked: 474 times in 365 posts
Gender: Female
Country: United Kingdom (uk)

Post 
Quote:
Tom said:

Chapter 12, as I remember.


Of course it was Chapter 12, about old age....

Chapter 3 is - for every thing there is a season...

Both great favourites.

I suppose if I study that link page you gave, I would remember which quote belongs to which chapter! :laugh:


_________________
If you fall, I'll be there.

.....Floor


Wed Mar 04, 2009 5:43 pm
Profile
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
Likes the book better than the movie


Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 825
Location: Wyse Fork, NC
Thanks: 0
Thanked: 0 time in 0 post
Gender: None specified

Post 
Penelope wrote:
I suppose if I study that link page you gave, I would remember which quote belongs to which chapter!


Yes, if you know the zodiac, you know the plan of Ecclesiastes. A mosaic of the zodiac was a standard feature of ancient synagogues:

http://astrology.about.com/od/foundatio ... tAlpha.htm

http://www.bear-star.com/galgalmazalot_text.htm
-- smaller picture of above but more information

http://www.smoe.org/arcana/diss5.html
-- a history of synagogue zodiac finds

I read somewhere that every ancient synagogue that has been excavated has contained a mosaic of the zodiac.

Tom



Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:46 pm
Profile
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
Worthy of Worship


Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 2021
Location: NY
Thanks: 560
Thanked: 171 times in 118 posts
Gender: Male
Country: United States (us)

Post 
If anyone here is interested in some of the more recent research into the Jesus myth check out this site…

http://jesuspuzzle.humanists.net/preamble.htm

There are three parts each addressing different topics of interest regarding the culture, texts and beliefs of the people of that time and the earliest Christian writers.

In addition it supports many definitions and mistranslated portions of the texts reviewed.

I found it to be very educational and it does match up well with my own personal research.

Later


_________________
That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.


Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:37 pm
Profile Email
User avatar
Years of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membershipYears of membership
I can has reading?

Gold Contributor

Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 2969
Location: Cheshire, England
Thanks: 235
Thanked: 474 times in 365 posts
Gender: Female
Country: United Kingdom (uk)

Post 
Quote:
Tom said:
I read somewhere that every ancient synagogue that has been excavated has contained a mosaic of the zodiac.


Tom there are quite a few of our very old churches and cathedrals with zodiacs.

If I remember correctly, when I visited Chartes in France, I think there was a zodiac in that, Europe's oldest cathedral. There is certainly a lovely labyrinth maze, depicted in tiles on the floor.

Chester Cathedral, here in these parts, has a zodiac too.

I degress, what I wanted to ask you was, Is there a zodiacal significance about the different blessings Jacob gave to his various sons. You know they each formed the twelve tribes and each were given a different blessing. I was always charmed by the one which went: Thy shoes shall be of iron and brass and as thy days, so shall thy strength be. When I said I liked that one, my 'Miss Sarah' said, 'yes, well that is really all we need, isn't it Penny?'

Everyone should have a Miss Sarah!!


_________________
If you fall, I'll be there.

.....Floor


Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:39 am
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 109 posts ] • Topic evaluate: Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.Evaluations: 0, 0.00 on the average.  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8  Next



Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:

Recent Posts 
Introduction

Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:37 pm

Robert Tulip

Why Do So Many Have Trouble Believing In Evolution?

Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:27 pm

ant

Is God the epitome of both good and evil?

Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:16 pm

Movie Nerd

If you were God, would you give humanity moral free will?

Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:56 pm

Flann 5

Releasing a Book in Serial Format... Thoughts? Opinions?

Sun Nov 23, 2014 6:23 pm

Dexter

Do you have a quote to share? Funny? Positive? Thought Provoking?

Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:42 pm

Movie Nerd

Free Today Only - Lovers, Players, & The Seducer eBook: J. A. JACKSON: Kindle Store

Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:16 pm

J A Jackson

New Freebie, Romantic Suspense

Sun Nov 23, 2014 3:48 pm

katekelly

Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship.

Sun Nov 23, 2014 2:19 pm

Movie Nerd

Christmas gift for my brother in-law: in the style of the iron druid

Sun Nov 23, 2014 2:18 pm

Chris OConnor

Negotiating with terrorists for the release of hostages?

Sun Nov 23, 2014 2:02 pm

ClosetScribe

Savanna's Treasure: Animal Friendships, But Not Your Usual Picture Book Read

Sun Nov 23, 2014 12:14 pm

DianeD+

Why is there something and not nothing?

Sun Nov 23, 2014 12:13 pm

Interbane

Many thanks for having me, Joe

Sun Nov 23, 2014 11:08 am

Taylor

Visit To A Doctor

Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:00 am

mightynvaliant

Do you EAT while you READ?

Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:52 am

lucia_salemi

"What Book Changed Your Mind?"

Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:54 am

Movie Nerd

Why is evolution by natural selection a scientific explanation for alien life?

Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:50 am

Movie Nerd

a picture book about refugees

Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:13 am

lucia_salemi

Renewable energy - the old chestnut, puréed

Sun Nov 23, 2014 4:17 am

lehelvandor


BookTalk.org Links 
Forum Rules & Tips
Frequently Asked Questions
BBCode Explained
Info for Authors & Publishers
Featured Book Suggestions
Author Interview Transcripts
Be a Book Discussion Leader!
    

Love to talk about books but don't have time for our book discussion forums? For casual book talk join us on Facebook.

Featured Books

Poll

Yes  66%  [2]
No  33%  [1]
Total votes: 3

Books by New Authors


Top Posters

Of all time: Chris OConnor (14177), Interbane (5583), DWill (4962), stahrwe (4610), Robert Tulip (4232), Mr. Pessimistic (3542), johnson1010 (3326), geo (3255), ant (3078), Penelope (2969), Saffron (2859), Suzanne (2477), Frank 013 (2021), Dissident Heart (1796), bleachededen (1680), President Camacho (1614), Ophelia (1543), Dexter (1450), tat tvam asi (1298), youkrst (1287)

Of the last 24 hrs: Movie Nerd (18), ant (17), lehelvandor (8), Chris OConnor (7), Flann 5 (6), Suzanne (4), Interbane (3), Gnostic Bishop (3), mightynvaliant (2), lucia_salemi (2), Dexter (2), David Rain (2), ClosetScribe (2), J A Jackson (2), alfifi (1), DianeD+ (1), JJ_Co (1), Robert Tulip (1), Taylor (1), geo (1)




BookTalk.org is a free book discussion group or online reading group or book club. We read and talk about both fiction and non-fiction books as a group. We host live author chats where booktalk members can interact with and interview authors. We give away free books to our members in book giveaway contests. Our booktalks are open to everybody who enjoys talking about books. Our book forums include book reviews, author interviews and book resources for readers and book lovers. Discussing books is our passion. We're a literature forum, or reading forum. Register a free book club account today! Suggest nonfiction and fiction books. Authors and publishers are welcome to advertise their books or ask for an author chat or author interview.


Navigation 
MAIN NAVIGATION

HOMEFORUMSBOOKSTRANSCRIPTSOLD FORUMSADVERTISELINKSFAQDONATETERMS OF USEPRIVACY POLICY

BOOK FORUMS FOR ALL BOOKS WE HAVE DISCUSSED
Atheist Mind, Humanist Heart - by Lex Bayer and John FigdorSense and Goodness Without God - by Richard CarrierFrankenstein - by Mary ShelleyThe Big Questions - by Simon BlackburnScience Was Born of Christianity - by Stacy TrasancosThe Happiness Hypothesis - by Jonathan HaidtA Game of Thrones - by George R. R. MartinTempesta's Dream - by Vincent LoCocoWhy Nations Fail - by Daron Acemoglu and James RobinsonThe Drowning Girl - Caitlin R. KiernanThe Consolations of the Forest - by Sylvain TessonThe Complete Heretic's Guide to Western Religion: The Mormons - by David FitzgeraldA Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man - by James JoyceThe Divine Comedy - by Dante AlighieriThe Magic of Reality - by Richard DawkinsDubliners - by James JoyceMy Name Is Red - by Orhan PamukThe World Until Yesterday - by Jared DiamondThe Man Who Was Thursday - by by G. K. ChestertonThe Better Angels of Our Nature by Steven PinkerLord Jim by Joseph ConradThe Hobbit by J. R. R. TolkienThe Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas AdamsAtlas Shrugged by Ayn RandThinking, Fast and Slow - by Daniel KahnemanThe Righteous Mind - by Jonathan HaidtWorld War Z: An Oral History of the Zombie War by Max BrooksMoby Dick: or, the Whale by Herman MelvilleA Visit from the Goon Squad by Jennifer EganLost Memory of Skin: A Novel by Russell BanksThe Structure of Scientific Revolutions by Thomas S. KuhnHobbes: Leviathan by Thomas HobbesThe House of the Spirits - by Isabel AllendeArguably: Essays by Christopher HitchensThe Falls: A Novel (P.S.) by Joyce Carol OatesChrist in Egypt by D.M. MurdockThe Glass Bead Game: A Novel by Hermann HesseA Devil's Chaplain by Richard DawkinsThe Hero with a Thousand Faces by Joseph CampbellThe Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor DostoyevskyThe Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark TwainThe Moral Landscape by Sam HarrisThe Decameron by Giovanni BoccaccioThe Road by Cormac McCarthyThe Grand Design by Stephen HawkingThe Evolution of God by Robert WrightThe Tin Drum by Gunter GrassGood Omens by Neil GaimanPredictably Irrational by Dan ArielyThe Wind-Up Bird Chronicle: A Novel by Haruki MurakamiALONE: Orphaned on the Ocean by Richard Logan & Tere Duperrault FassbenderDon Quixote by Miguel De CervantesMusicophilia by Oliver SacksDiary of a Madman and Other Stories by Nikolai GogolThe Passion of the Western Mind by Richard TarnasThe Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula K. Le GuinThe Genius of the Beast by Howard BloomAlice's Adventures in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll Empire of Illusion by Chris HedgesThe Sound and the Fury by William Faulkner The Extended Phenotype by Richard DawkinsSmoke and Mirrors by Neil GaimanThe Selfish Gene by Richard DawkinsWhen Good Thinking Goes Bad by Todd C. RinioloHouse of Leaves by Mark Z. DanielewskiAmerican Gods: A Novel by Neil GaimanPrimates and Philosophers by Frans de WaalThe Enormous Room by E.E. CummingsThe Picture of Dorian Gray by Oscar WildeGod Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything by Christopher HitchensThe Name of the Rose by Umberto Eco Dreams From My Father by Barack Obama Paradise Lost by John Milton Bad Money by Kevin PhillipsThe Secret Garden by Frances Hodgson BurnettGodless: How an Evangelical Preacher Became One of America's Leading Atheists by Dan BarkerThe Things They Carried by Tim O'BrienThe Limits of Power by Andrew BacevichLolita by Vladimir NabokovOrlando by Virginia Woolf On Being Certain by Robert A. Burton50 reasons people give for believing in a god by Guy P. HarrisonWalden: Or, Life in the Woods by Henry David ThoreauExile and the Kingdom by Albert CamusOur Inner Ape by Frans de WaalYour Inner Fish by Neil ShubinNo Country for Old Men by Cormac McCarthyThe Age of American Unreason by Susan JacobyTen Theories of Human Nature by Leslie Stevenson & David HabermanHeart of Darkness by Joseph ConradThe Stuff of Thought by Stephen PinkerA Thousand Splendid Suns by Khaled HosseiniThe Lucifer Effect by Philip ZimbardoResponsibility and Judgment by Hannah ArendtInterventions by Noam ChomskyGodless in America by George A. RickerReligious Expression and the American Constitution by Franklyn S. HaimanDeep Economy by Phil McKibbenThe God Delusion by Richard DawkinsThe Third Chimpanzee by Jared DiamondThe Woman in the Dunes by Abe KoboEvolution vs. Creationism by Eugenie C. ScottThe Omnivore's Dilemma by Michael PollanI, Claudius by Robert GravesBreaking The Spell by Daniel C. DennettA Peace to End All Peace by David FromkinThe Time Traveler's Wife by Audrey NiffeneggerThe End of Faith by Sam HarrisEnder's Game by Orson Scott CardThe Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time by Mark HaddonValue and Virtue in a Godless Universe by Erik J. WielenbergThe March by E. L DoctorowThe Ethical Brain by Michael GazzanigaFreethinkers: A History of American Secularism by Susan JacobyCollapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed by Jared DiamondThe Battle for God by Karen ArmstrongThe Future of Life by Edward O. WilsonWhat is Good? by A. C. GraylingCivilization and Its Enemies by Lee HarrisPale Blue Dot by Carl SaganHow We Believe: Science, Skepticism, and the Search for God by Michael ShermerLooking for Spinoza by Antonio DamasioLies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them by Al FrankenThe Red Queen by Matt RidleyThe Blank Slate by Stephen PinkerUnweaving the Rainbow by Richard DawkinsAtheism: A Reader edited by S.T. JoshiGlobal Brain by Howard BloomThe Lucifer Principle by Howard BloomGuns, Germs and Steel by Jared DiamondThe Demon-Haunted World by Carl SaganBury My Heart at Wounded Knee by Dee BrownFuture Shock by Alvin Toffler

OTHER PAGES WORTH EXPLORING
Banned Book ListOur Amazon.com SalesMassimo Pigliucci Rationally SpeakingOnline Reading GroupTop 10 Atheism BooksFACTS Book Selections

Copyright © BookTalk.org 2002-2014. All rights reserved.
Website developed by MidnightCoder.ca
Display Pagerank