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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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The act of looking forward requires me to find new mystique where the old stuff has been "defogged" and understood.


Science is often taken to task for this de-mystifying, leaving nothing in its place to sustain wonder. But I always try to keep in mind how much we don't know even when we think we've explained something scientifically. We may think we've reduced mind to the actions of neurotansmitters jumping synapses, but can we really ever understand the miraculousness of this (even if we ever get to the stage of accurate basic understanding)? In these material processes there are depths that may elude our comprehension.

In a simliar sense, I tend toward naturalistic origins of our moral beliefs, that our minds created them in the process of our evolving. But what about mind itself? Where did that come from, both in ourselves and in other creatures? That I'd have to put in the category of the way beyond.

Science, for me, doesn't do a very good job of de-mystifying, if that is what some people expect of it--and that is a good thing!
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I don't really think I have a right to comment here, since a 'tin-opener' mystifies me!!!! Confused
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very sorry to here about the loss of your friend,the way i deal with loss is to remember the good times you had with them,like all the times you used to laugh togather,that helped me some when i lost my father,it is very hard to loose someone you love but try to do that it might help some.
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Even the atheist is committed to an enormous act of faith in his belief that the universe created itself and the subsequent creation of intelligent life was simply a biological accident.

"There are no atheists in foxholes."

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Sweetpea! What a lovely post! Thank you! Kiss I am remembering the laughter......
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Penelope your welcome I hope the advice helped you some keep smiling Very Happy
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Oh Sweetpea.....Laughter is definitely the best medicine.

But, is it only me....or can you sense the warmth of genuine human nature and compassion....empathy...on some of these threads on this BT Website???

What is empathy?...It isn't just words.....because I can feel the concern of yourself.....and erudite people like Robert Tulip.....and those others in the upper etchelons.....who call themselves atheists.....

Thank you folks.....whatever you think you are.....however you label yourselves....I hope I can send you as much human warmth and support as I have received Angel from you.....
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