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Witnesses of war: children's lives under the nazis


 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:50 pm    Post subject: Witnesses of war: children's lives under the nazis Reply with quote
I would like to recommend this book by Nicholas Stargardt about Germany in the Second World War.

I find it very interesting, but I have never read about WWII, so people who are familiar with this topic may already know about this.

The book answers, in the final chapters, a question that has been nagging me for a while.
The War is still present in people's minds in France, partly I think because war films are still being made and shown on TV.
The scenario I always had in mind for the end of the war in Western Europe was:

1- The American troops came, we were liberated (one country after the other), De Gaulle drove up the Champs Elysées, end of story.

Then, out of the blue:

2- Villages and cities were built up again.

3- We built up the EU (in one of its former names).

My parents lived through all this, but somehow what is never mentioned is the period 1945-1950, and particularly what happened in Germany.

The book gives an answer, which is not the one I had expected-- so I had guessed wrong for years but had never felt curious enough to read about it. Or perhaps the collective guilt was too strong for me and other people to explore.

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Hello,

I read this book and liked it. I think many of those who lived through the difficulties of post-war Europe were, and perhaps still are feeling a bit of Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome. From everything I have read it was not a pretty time. Many cities were in rubble with the bodies still decaying at the bottom of piles of stone. Food was scarce. Few were those who had not lost someone. In Poland it was 1 out of 5 dead.

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Exactly, it was horrific, especially for those who were under the supervison of the Russians.

There is one more book I'd like to suggest, but before that, since to seem to be posting under several headings, would you like to tell us a little about yourself by writing an introduction in the "Introduce youself" threads?

Then I hope, you will fee like joining some of our fiction or non-fiction.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hello,

I did write a brief introduction. I like your icon. I used it as wallpaper on my PC for awhile.

I am hoping to join one of the discussions, as that is why I am here. I am waiting for a new discussion to begin rather than leap into the middle of a ongoing conversation.

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Hello Steve,

We have three discussions at the beginning stage, in the non fiction forum it's definitely not too late to join, and are you interested in discussing fiction too? I imagine you must be, since you wrote a novel yourself.
If so, what about No country for old Men? This is just beginning, only one person has started posting, and I'd love to have your input on this.


I went back to your intro: are you a full-time writer, and if not, is your profession related to your research and writing?

Oh, and how did you find Booktalk?

I have just posted something in my journal that is related to the theme of nazism-- on the French side. The theme of my journal is immigration in France since the 1960's but it is also about the things we don't want to see.

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Hello,

Yes, I am going to buy "No Country for Old Men" today.

No, a full time writer is a path of poverty. I work full-time, have a family, pets, a garden, play music.

I found Booktalk as a part of my plan to shamelessly promote my books. I have decided to stay.

Interesting. I started reading your journal. The French were never known for their love of the Jews. We were in Paris just before the last big riots. In my stack of books to read is "The Last Days of Europe" by Laqueur. What I have read so far in your journal is of interest to me.

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I remember now that this is what I had thouht when I read your first posting,
Wink , anyway there is nothing wrong with that, and I'm delighted you've decided to stay.

I'm glad you are interested in my journal, this reminds me that it's time I went back and wrote some more.
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I'll go on discussing Germany in this period in this thread:

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
"The Last Days of Europe" by Laqueur.


I've looked it up at amazon, it sounds interesting, I'm glad you've mentioned it.
The second part deals with the theme I'm writing about in my diary: immigration from Muslim countries.

I've noted this sentence:

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Europe's munificent social-welfare systems don't add up, as Laqueur illustrates with an array of demographic statistics pointing downward and economic numbers pointing sideways.


So American!

Which American writer is ever going to write: " Europe's generous welfare systems are a great help to its citizens are are much appreciated by them."

or even" Europe's welfare systems used to be very generous. As they are, after many budget cuts, they are from ideal, but nobody has done better yet."

I note words like "epitaph", and in another book "slow-motion suicide"...

I thought Europe's last days had been lived just before 1914, and that after the wars, taking into account what we'd been doing to one another for so long, we should be described as "the patient is recovering, not doing so badly, considering...".

From the little I've read about such things, American writers tend to go for the catastrophe type scenario about-- in my case-- France. Which doesn't mean there aren't good ideas in the book: tell me what you think if/when you get around to reading it.

I've just had a second look, the author is actually a European who emigrated to the States (the brain drain is not a myth) from Germany (I imagine this fact had not escaped you), so this is getting even more interesting.

I'm thinking of suggesting it for the next non-fiction selection.


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