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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:54 pm    Post subject: Purely preposterous poppycock Reply with quote
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…because it is obvious you will never see what it was that you did that pissed me off.


“Oh no. That’s not true.” I just won’t concede that the pissiness is warranted, that’s where our difference lies.

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I dunno, sometimes a 'take your sarcasm and shove it' says so much.


Right, it says that you’re pissed off, and that you want to demonstrate that frustration and/or anger. To lash out in an aggressively immature way. But it isn’t the attempt at communication that you seemingly portrayed on the forum.

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I figured you would see that since we had other, less angst filled PMs prior to that, when I was commending you for your contributions.


That is precisely why I said people know exactly where they stand with you, Mr.P. When I’m not calling you out for being overly sensitive to a clarification that was necessary because of your misuse of plural pronouns, you and I are fine—even friendly. But a little oversight, followed by a casual clarification, devolves that friendliness into a “go fuck off.” So as long as I don’t ruffle your feathers everything is all peaches and pansies, once I don’t duck your threat of retaliation everything turns to pits and piss. You’ve made that absolutely clear.

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And if it was Mad or Niall or certain others I would have not been hurt (Still pissed yes). If it comes from Chris or Frank or you there is a difference.


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I never intended to include you.


But you utilized inclusive plural pronouns, resulting in a valid misunderstanding and necessary clarification, as I’ve explained to you many times now. You do know what I mean by inclusive plural pronouns, yes Mr. P.?

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So you take only "US" and totally ignore the "SOME". Seems kinda self serving.


Jesus Christ, so absolutely, totally predictable. I already described how the structure of the discussion and the context of the inclusive plural pronouns led me to believe, and I imagine others to believe, that I was included in the statement. Why do you refuse to recognize that there was confusion there? Why do you insist that a simple, casual clarification was some personal affront to you? And how am I, and whatever invisible audience even if it’s just the spirit of precise expression, supposed to automatically know who the “some” in your “us” are?

You didn’t say, “some of us, but not Rosemary.” You didn’t say “some of us—that is [and then name who precisely you include in the pronoun]. You said “some of us,” and I could possibly be part of “some of us,” yes? It’s not irrational to think as much. I am, after all, a member of this forum. (And apparently, up until a few days ago, I was part of the some of us with the ability to cause you hurt.) And with the structure of the argument, and the context of that statement, I genuinely, honestly, without pretense, thought that you had intended to include me. So I clarified otherwise, and I did so without aggression, without accusation, without even bothering to rebut your position—as at the time I was in hot pursuit of Mad. And, yet, here we are.

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I was strictly railing agains Mad.


Aye, there’s the rub. We’ve uncovered the crux of the matter, haven’t we? I had suspected as much, but didn’t want to jump to conclusions. So were you pissed off at Mad and retaliated against a purely innocuous clarification that I made? Or have you transferred whatever irrational rage you feel towards Mad onto me for some reason?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rose. Just let it go. Now this is bordering on harrassment.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Now this is bordering on harrassment.


Harassment!? Are you kidding me? You know you have, and have had, the choice not to respond through all of this, yes Mr. P.? I haven’t said word one to you that wasn’t absolutely civil. You couldn’t reciprocate even that far, and yet turn around and accuse me of “bordering on harassment.”
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Now this is bordering on harrassment.


Harassment!? Are you kidding me? You know you have, and have had, the choice not to respond through all of this, yes Mr. P.? I haven’t said word one to you that wasn’t absolutely civil. You couldn’t reciprocate even that far, and yet turn around and accuse me of “bordering on harassment.”


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Uh... *cough* Was this supposed to be a private message? Maybe it should be? Sorry to intrude but... I kind of feel like I'm listening to my parents argue through the floor. Maybe not a good impression for new people? Just thought I'd mention...

I'm leaving now. *puts on earmuffs*
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Uh... *cough* Was this supposed to be a private message? Maybe it should be? Sorry to intrude but... I kind of feel like I'm listening to my parents argue through the floor. Maybe not a good impression for new people? Just thought I'd mention...

I'm leaving now. *puts on earmuffs*


For the record Theo. I agree. I am disappointed Rose decided to start a whole new post on this. It is obvious who wanted this to continue. But it is done now. I think...

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
For the record, this thread was an attempt to carry-over from another public thread. I had asked that Mr. P. and I take this spat to a thread devoted specifically to this bickering so others wouldn’t be distracted by it, hence the title of the thread. I didn’t want to further divert the Huckabee discussion, which had been revived at the time.

Theo, I don’t choose to speak with Mr. P. on PM because he uses profanity there to which I won’t subject myself.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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For the record, this thread was an attempt to carry-over from another public thread. I had asked that Mr. P. and I take this spat to a thread devoted specifically to this bickering so others wouldn’t be distracted by it, hence the title of the thread. I didn’t want to further divert the Huckabee discussion, which had been revived at the time.

Theo, I don’t choose to speak with Mr. P. on PM because he uses profanity there to which I won’t subject myself.


Yeah. I was pissed when I PM'd you. Forgive me for being human...but I PM'd you after that ridiculously sarcastic thread that was totally aimed at making me look like a fool. I talk very plainly when I am pissed. It was also one on one, directed at you not for show but to convey how pissed I was, considering we had talked on a more friendly level at other times.

And I thought you and Mad were all about ending things. I was totally ready to accept your final post in the other thread and then what...Mad has to chime in with a last slap after HE suggested we just end it.

You two are being the babies here. I do not back down when I feel I have to defend myself, so if you two want to continue to bait me, I dont know what to say anymore. YOU started this thread Rose...there was no reason for it in my opinion. That is why I did not go into it here but rather tried to downplay it and asked you to just stop.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I see these types of discussions so much on forums. Each person analyzes the other persons every word. Sometimes they analyze them by actually defining the parts of speech and how the grammar could or should have been used more effectively. In the end nothing positive comes out of it and feelings are hurt and damage is done to what previously was a friendship.

I suggest the whole topic be dropped right away. Neither party needs to come back and say, "But I have been trying to drop it..." Plenty of people have now read the discussion and are well aware of what has transpired. But in the end carrying on any further is just robbing both of you of precious minutes of your lives. And time matters. Life is short. I've engaged in plenty of these back-and-forth go nowhere arguments and they almost always end on a bad note. I've learned (or have tried to learn) to just walk away or ignore the bait dangling out in front of me. I am suggesting you both do the same thing.

But if you want to continue you are welcome to do so. This is my opinion and not an effort to "lay down the law."
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Chris, I think it has been dropped on both parts. But, if this were still heated I think you did a nice job of commenting to diffuse the situation, without judging the argument itself. I’m not one that thinks bickering like this needs to be avoided at all cost, particularly if those participating don’t do so regularly, without contributing elsewhere. And I submit, without hesitation, that Mr.P. and I both contribute many non-bickering posts to this site. I’m also really, really not one to take such spats personally as they are absolutely inconsequential, so they don’t tend to affect whatever “internet relationship” I’ve built with my co-bickerer.

But if I’m a third party, I’m also one that doesn’t enjoy watching them going on either. In most cases, it’s easy enough to ignore it when it happens here because the thread has usually deteriorated to the point that only those spatting are following it. In this case, the original subject of the thread had been re-sparked and the spat, I think, interfered. Now, it wasn’t a terribly important thread, in my opinion, to begin with. But, I’m wondering, if it’s not your policy to silence such bickering at its outset as you note here, maybe you really may want to consider a “Cat Fight” or a “Spats” forum. That way such arguments can easily be transferred there, and those who just don’t want to see it can ignore the forum altogether. Just a suggestion.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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But, I’m wondering, if it’s not your policy to silence such bickering at its outset as you note here, maybe you really may want to consider a “Cat Fight” or a “Spats” forum.


Rather than creating a specific forum where arguments can continue, and therefore giving such threads an implicit "okay", would it not be better to assume that adults can each state their case, agree to disagree, and let the matter drop?

Just my opinion. Jan.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ideally, we'd do exactly that Jan but that doesn't seem to work. Rather than a sub-forum, I figure we can use this appropriately named thread for any further spats.

If something is turning into a spat, someone (anyone) should direct those involved to this thread if they want to continue the board drama.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Alternatively, maybe we can think of a way to handle such altercations, as a forum, that will cut them short. Some sort of informal arbitration, perhaps?
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