I copied this from the Politics forum because I think it may have a place here...since it deal with Fundamentalist obsession.Quote:ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- A federal judge in Atlanta, Georgia, has ruled that a suburban county school district's textbook stickers referring to evolution as "a theory not a fact" are unconstitutional.Creationist propaganda bookmark unconstitutional!Yay!Mr. P. (thanks to my wife for alerting me) The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P.I came to get down, I came to get down. So get out ya seat and jump around - House of PainHEY! Is that a ball in your court? - Mr. PI came to kick ass and chew Bubble Gum...and I am all out of Bubble Gum - They Live, Roddy PiperEdited by: misterpessimistic  at: 1/15/05 12:20 pm

It was such a stupid idea in the first place...What was next? You can cover more than the entire book cover with things that are theories not facts!Students! Be aware! Einstein's Theory of Relativity is THEORY not a fact! In Vino Veritas

Many of the anti-evolutionists with whom I've spoken do not understand what it means to be a theory. They equate theory with any idea that can be communicated, regardless of its ability to be tested, to be falsified, to predict, etc. Thus their argument that creationism is a theory on equal footing with evolution.

Creationists do NOT think their paradigm is a theory. They believe it whole heartedly. There is no room for error. Most creationist and at the very least, those that are causing all this trouble.Scientists always accept and anticipate new data that may change or even do away with a theory. Theory is not applied to Evolution to suggest it is not accepted overall, but it is a changing and mutating science! Pun intended!Mr. P. The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P.I came to get down, I came to get down. So get out ya seat and jump around - House of PainHEY! Is that a ball in your court? - Mr. PI came to kick ass and chew Bubble Gum...and I am all out of Bubble Gum - They Live, Roddy Piper

As a person who actually believes in God, I do not see evolutionary Theory, nor do I see Creation Theory as a given - many of you will not honeslty consider a healthy, authentic faith in God based on the teachings of Jesus and his original followers (apostles in Christian circles), and I can not honestly consider evolution from a faith perspective.However, academically, socially, culturally, and psychologically which ever side one chooses has deep and long reaching empact on ethics, morals, and Armstongs question about the meaning of life.

Quote:and I can not honestly consider evolution from a faith perspective.Your halfway there! Evolution needs no faith...just a thirst for knowledge, truth and the honest and rational search for this. Evolution is NOT a faith based system...it is based on actual observation, inquiry, experimentation and re-examination of it's own postulates. It is the most compelling discourse we have on how we came to be.Mr. P. The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P.I came to get down, I came to get down. So get out ya seat and jump around - House of PainHEY! Is that a ball in your court? - Mr. PI came to kick ass and chew Bubble Gum...and I am all out of Bubble Gum - They Live, Roddy Piper

Mr P: "Evolution needs no faith...just a thirst for knowledge, truth and the honest and rational search for this."Careful now, you'll attract the attention of CrazySculptor, and he'll be very angry. Everything needs at least simple faith as a premise. This type of faith is different from Faith, however. Personally, I don't see why so many Americans are so adamant about proving evolution incorrect. There are flaws, as any model or belief will have, but if the Pope can see through the schmagma and realize there is much truth in evolution, why can't religious America?The only person I've ever had discourse with that has a reasonable foundation for a belief in God is MA, and even then the reasoning is due to the unknowable nature of the universe, which applies... universally. Even then, I think atheists have a more convincing argument than theists. Doc: "In some way, it is a bit ironic that we must try to be more stupid to obtain salvation."MA: "I can't think of a better way to convince a group of critical thinkers of the worthlessness of faith."

Interbane: Careful now, you'll attract the attention of CrazySculptor, and he'll be very angry.Busted. I was going to post a link directing him to our discussion(s) about faith. I'd kind of like to see Mr. P horn in on that discussion anyway.There are flaws, as any model or belief will have, but if the Pope can see through the schmagma and realize there is much truth in evolution, why can't religious America?That's an interesting question. Observationally, it does seem that Catholics are more often open to admitting the validity of evolutionary theory than American Protestants. This would seem to me to indicate that something about evolutionary theory threatens some part of the structure of systemized Protestant faith, but the question is, what in particular? The catch is that, in order to remain true to our observation (if we can assume that to be, on the whole, correct), the threatened aspect cannot be something common to both Catholicism and Protestantism, or must be ameliorated by some aspect of Catholic Orthodoxy.The only person I've ever had discourse with that has a reasonable foundation for a belief in God is MAI'm flattered. Good to know that I'm not entirely fooling myself when I look at myself in the mirror.

CrazySculptor?Mr. P. The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P.I came to get down, I came to get down. So get out ya seat and jump around - House of PainHEY! Is that a ball in your court? - Mr. PI came to kick ass and chew Bubble Gum...and I am all out of Bubble Gum - They Live, Roddy Piper

He means me. Although, sculpture and architecture aren't the same thing at all.