Re: Is it rational to believe in both God & evolution?
"However, Frank's point is a good one. Is a belief irrational to the person who holds it if that person has no basis on which to regard it as irrational? When I was a practicing Christian I thought my beliefs, for the most part, were perfectly rational."
When discussing what delusion is, I think a couple of things jump out as common denominators. 1. When someone is bio-chemically delusive, as in schizophrenic, or from too much maui-wowie, or 2. a delusion is a strongly held belief, which cannot be true in the face of science, i.e., someone is beaten and suffocated to death then comes back to life. He is provably dead--for three days, then gets up and meets his gang for lunch; that would be a delusion.
Dawkins has been careful to include his ideas that he is not saying that there is NOT much mystery, which is, completely, incomprehensible, and perhaps will not in our lifetimes, or ever, be comprehensible, in our 'universe,' either way you go Macro or Micro.'
I think regarding, any, science, as Dogma is just unscientific, LOL, and he said something to that effect, too, no?
Also,...I think that it is important to remember that even a single cell orgnism which is relatively simple compared to say a human (collection of millions of cells working together on an amazing level of organization, much, of which we have yet to comprehend) does not mean that, that, small 'creature' is not also highly organized and complex on a chemical level.
So, figuring out what makes my heart continue to beat, and, trying to be a good person in a stressed out often 'crazy world are two different things--well, at least two!
But, I do, believe, that I do not have to be part of a (both organized and congregating) group of people to inherently understand what being good entails.
I think unless you are retarded or mentally ill, you can pretty easily understand that treating yourself and others well is not just a worthy (although difficult for some) goal, but that (what should be the anachronisitic behaviors) harming and controlling, war like actions belonging more to beasts than thinking humans, have no place in the healthy (therefore productive, efficient) evolution of our species, which would include not destroying our planet,..duh.
And it is not just in the churchs that people follow blindly and often are, not at all, informed on the real nature of their held beliefs! LOL!