"I'd love to get a Ph.D in applied physics or fluid mechanics, but that's a seven- or eight-year commitment."

Bill Nye

ant wrote:It is much more motivated by both poltical and religious ideology, Robert. It has nothing to do with thirst. Sorry, Robert, but you are stretching far too much here.

This is a typical example that really helps to illustrate the gross failure of rational thinking involved in science denial.

Ant cannot comprehend that economic changes cause political changes.

In the case of climate change, Bill Nye has accepted the evidence that anthropogenic climate change results in drought, heat waves, unusual storms, fires, floods, etc. When these unusual events occur in a community that is already under stress, they can be an important factor in causing economic difficulties. These changes in turn produce a growth in tension and conflict.

Unfortunately, that logic escapes the denialist movement, which is motivated by the desire to manufacture “gotcha” moments which enable it to portray science as unreliable. So, when scientists recognise the link between nature, economics and politics, the denialists naturally jump to say that such linkages are hard for morons to understand and therefore do not exist.

The causality of terrorism is multi-faceted. To imply as ant does here that climate change has no connection to the disturbing rise of extremist ideologies is a typical example of denialist failure to engage with evidence and logic.

I have little doubt that we could drill down to investigate Nye’s opinions here and would find that his views are nuanced, informed and realistic, completely different from ant’s base political agenda of creating a caricature lampoon. Paymasters of the denial movement would welcome such lampooning, but it has nothing to do with good public understanding.

So ant still has not given us any better reason to loathe Bill Nye than that Sarah Palin does not like how his work sits with ‘drill baby drill’.

Just to show how laughable Bill Nye's claim that the recent Paris terrorist attacks were " a result of climate change" here are a few links:

Nye stated the following:

It’s very reasonable that the recent trouble in Paris is a result of climate change,” Mr. Nye, who discusses global warming at length in his new book “Unstoppable,” told HuffPost Live Monday. “There is a water shortage in Syria, this is fact ...,

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... attacks-a/

The terrorists were actually from Brussels, not drought torn Syria:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34832512


And here is some good financial news for Belgium, due to Climate Change:

Climate change will increase the value of farmland in Belgium

http://www.brusselstimes.com/brussels/5 ... in-belgium


Desperate terrorists from the farmlands of Belgium motivated subconsciously by climate change.


The bridges people build to create explanatory links are incredible, aren't they?
It doesn't get any better than this, people.

In 1983 The Tamil Tigers implemented their first "terrorist" attack:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberatio ... ck.2C_1983

Here is a summary of the reason(s) the Tamil Tigers were formed:

After 1948, the Tamils also became the targets of numerous riots that swept through the island nation. Believing that these riots were instigated by the Sinhalese authorities, Tamils began calling for an independent state and for an organisation to protect their rights.
The Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) was one of the many groups that came into existence to fight for Tamil rights.

Formed in 1975 with its base in the northern and eastern parts of Sri Lanka, the group vowed to form a separate state called Tamil Eelam.

http://www.aljazeera.com/focus/2008/11/ ... 51343.html


Now here is ant wishing to build a pseudo explanation that links climate change to terrorism:

1983
Reports from US National Academy of Sciences and Environmental Protection Agency spark conflict, as greenhouse warming becomes prominent in mainstream politics.

Climate Change Timeline

https://www.aip.org/history/climate/timeline.htm



Conclusion:

Climate Change is responsible for the Tamil Tigers commencing terrorist activities.

So, the entire point of this thread by ant is to twist and distort and malign and mock and slander Bill Nye's serious efforts to understand how humans are causing the sixth planetary extinction event by emitting CO2 into the air at a rate that is causing anthropogenic global warming. Hello ant, the mass extinction of coral reefs is actually happening right now, and your evil efforts here are abetting that extinction by sowing misinformation and confusion. Dr Goebbels would be proud of you. Anthropogenic global warming is the biggest moral issue of our time, except for those who enjoy their selfish pleasures and damn the consequences.

This thread is nothing but black propaganda for the fossil fuel industry. I cannot imagine why anyone would voluntarily print such bile as ant has written here about Bill Nye. Ant's latest effort is to claim that because drought in Syria has been identified as a factor in generating conflict, therefore Bill Nye believes terrorism in Sri Lanka is caused by CO2 emissions. You cannot get much stupider than that.

No, no.., i agree witb you that climate change is a significant event that people should acknowledge forthwith.
I just dont entirely agree with you that mankind has sinned in that he is the primary culprit.
That is inconsequential at this point. No need for moralizing prophets to preach repentance of our industrialized sins. Without that revolution, little "progress" would have been made to date.

I am not connected with tbe fossil fuel industry, Robert. That's a crazy accusation. It smacks of senility.

Your hypothesis that climate change is responsible for terrorism is worse than junk science. It's borderline sociopathic political propaganda. It's an attempt to piggyback climate change on violence as a scare tactic to get people to fall in line. Something Goebbels would be even more proud of.

Calm down, Robert.

Here is Bill Nye claiming your world becomes enormously complicated if you dont "believe" in the theory of evolution and it holds everybody back.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/gHbYJfwFgOU[/youtube]


This idiocy from Nye is impressive, even for Nye.

With such a large portion of society doubting evolution to this very day, this country had no problem whatsoever transforming itself into the technological giant that it is to date. Quite frankly, countries known for their suppression of religious freedom have lagged behind the United States for the greater portion of the modern era.
It's vulgar and dishonest of Nye to imply disbelief in a scientific theory keeps other people from progressing.
Progressing, how, Mr "Science Guy"? According to your definition and standards?

What planet does Nye live on?

With this type of vile lying, Nye should have formal charges of fraud filed against him.

Okay ant, since you insist on making such moronic comments I will ignore you again. Bye-bye. Feel free to spew your anti-science lies without any comment from me. You should be banned.

It is just incomprehensible to me why anyone not connected to the fossil fuel industries would act as a useful idiot for them as you have done by apparently taking Sarah Palin as your guide and spectacularly and repeatedly failing to be able to follow the simplest evidence.

Calling me names for that observation only reflects on the poverty of your mentality. You have simply distorted Nye's work to suit your base political agenda, whatever that is.

That is the last you will hear from me ant unless other booktalk members quote you.

Youre acting like the victim here Robert when it was you that started insulting me.
You lost control.

It's astonishing how you fail to realize how tyranical you become when someone disagrees with some of your poor reasoning (eg climate change is causing terrorism)
I mean, seriously??

ant wrote:(eg climate change is causing terrorism)
I mean, seriously??

You didn't understand him ant.