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Is anyone else completely torn about who they want to be the next US President?

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As Ive stated here before, my Los Angeles roots run 5th generations deep.
So youre familiar with hispanic attitudes bc you know something about "La Raza " and because you, um, grew up in San Diego. Is that right?

For starters, where is San Diego on this list?

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2013/08/29/i ... tan-areas/

What nationality are you, if you dont mind me asking.
Im hispanic.
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ant wrote:As Ive stated here before, my Los Angeles roots run 5th generations deep.
So youre familiar with hispanic attitudes bc you know something about "La Raza " and because you, um, grew up in San Diego. Is that right?
If your purpose is to make me sorry I got involved in a discussion with you about this, you are doing great. If you had a point to make about people waving a Mexican flag at a protest against Trump, then I gather you have said what you have to say, because the thrust of your last post is that I have no understanding and should not be talking about any of this. In other words, no substance.
ant wrote: What nationality are you, if you dont mind me asking.
Im hispanic.
My roots are German and British. Does this amount to "shut up"?
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Trump was handed the nomination today by Ted "Freakman" Cruz.

Bernie still in a state of total denial.
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ant wrote:Bernie still in a state of total denial.
I don't see where Bernie is in denial. His campaign is clearly about more than seeking the Democratic presidential nomination. And as for staying in the race, here is a little Hillary history from 2008:

This Is Why Hillary Clinton Can't Tell Bernie Sanders to Drop Out
Her choices in 2008 dictate what she can say now.
—By Pema Levy | Mon May 2, 2016 6:00 AM EDT

Hillary Clinton's lead in delegates over rival Bernie Sanders is now almost insurmountable as they move toward the conclusion of the Democratic presidential primary contest. But Clinton has not called on him to drop out of the race, for one simple reason: the example her own campaign set in 2008.

Eight years ago this month, Clinton was trailing hopelessly behind then-Sen. Barack Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination. On May 1, 2008, Clinton loaned her bankrupt campaign $1 million (following at least $10 million in earlier loans). Before the end of that week, pundits were calling the contest for Obama, whose May 6 win in the North Carolina primary, by 14 points, had made his delegate lead essentially insurmountable. "We now know who the Democratic nominee will be," Tim Russert said on MSNBC after the results came in. Less than a week later, Obama surpassed Clinton in the superdelegate count, signaling that the party establishment was shifting behind the presumptive nominee.

But Clinton was determined to fight until the last votes had been cast. She would go on to win contests in West Virginia, Kentucky, and South Dakota before the primary ended on June 3, even though there was no way for her to make up her deficit in the delegate count.

Along the way, the Clinton campaign put forward every conceivable argument to justify staying in the race. It used wins in states like Pennsylvania, Indiana, and Kentucky to claim that Obama was losing support among white working-class voters and that she would be the stronger general election candidate. On May 5, it began to argue about the delegate math, making the case that the number of delegates needed to clinch the nomination was actually 2,209, not 2,025, the figure that had been cited up until then—and that if neither campaign reached that new number, Clinton was prepared for a floor fight at the party's convention. On May 23, Clinton justified her continued White House bid by noting that in 1968, Democratic presidential hopeful Robert Kennedy was assassinated in June, after winning the California primary. And lurking in the background in these final weeks was the rumor that Republican operatives had gotten hold of a tape of Michelle Obama disparaging "whitey."

Eight years later, Clinton knows she cannot turn around and tell Sanders it's time to leave the race, even though her current lead over Sanders, at about 300 delegates, is larger than the nearly 160-delegate lead Obama had over her after the North Carolina primary in 2008. The Sanders campaign had $17 million on hand as of the latest public filings at the end of March, giving it far more fighting power than the broke Clinton effort had at the same point in 2008.

So the Clinton team has been careful not to say Sanders should drop out. After her victory in New York, Clinton's communications director, Jennifer Palmieri, told reporters that the campaign expected Clinton to be the nominee but that Sanders had a right to continue to fight. Instead of focusing on Clinton's refusal to bow out in 2008, her campaign is talking up her unequivocal support of Obama after the primary was over—suggesting that that is the example Sanders should follow. In late May 2008, she said she and Obama "do see eye-to-eye when it comes to uniting our party to elect a Democratic president in the fall." And when she announced her withdrawal from the race on June 7, she forcefully threw her support behind Obama and urged her fans to do the same.

"I think she set a gold standard for how people who don't end up with the nomination, who lose in that effort, should come together and help the party," Palmieri said on the night of the New York primary last month.

What Clinton isn't mentioning is that before she tried to unify the party, she was questioning Obama's appeal to white voters, hoping that a bombshell video would surface and help take down her rival, and entertaining a convention floor fight. Despite her team's claims of magnanimity, at this point eight years ago, Clinton was five weeks and a few attacks shy of giving into the inevitable and uniting the party.
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http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... t-election
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Bernie is in denial for many reasons, the most prominent one being his fallacious idea that what works relatively well for small non-diverse Scandinavian villages will work for a monolithic and remarkably diverse nation like the United States of America.

Another reason is how Bernie is totally unaware of the fact that just because you have millions of Millennial followers on twitter and facebook, it doesn't mean those same people actually get out and vote. The fact that he's essentially mathematically out of the race already speaks volumes about Millennial's distaste for voting when it counts.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/201 ... story.html

Maybe of there was an APP that existed so you could vote from your couch it might be different.


Millennials have totally incoherent and grossly oversimplified political views:
Millennial politics is simple, really. Young people support big government, unless it costs any more money. They're for smaller government, unless budget cuts scratch a program they've heard of. They'd like Washington to fix everything, just so long as it doesn't run anything.

That's all from a new Reason Foundation poll surveying 2,000 young adults between the ages of 18 and 29. Millennials' political views are, at best, in a stage of constant metamorphosis and, at worst, "totally incoherent," as Dylan Matthews puts it.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... ys/374427/

Add that to their lack of understanding of what socialism actually is (Bernie overtly has stated he's a socialist) and you have a largely dumbed-down, google attention deficit base of supporters that only hurt you in the long run:
Millennials simply don't know that socialism means the government owning everybody’s businesses. They don’t understand that socialism means the government owns the banks, the car companies, Uber, Apple, Facebook, Amazon, etc. They don’t even want the government taking a managerial role over the economy, let alone nationalizing private enterprise
http://reason.com/poll/2014/07/16/mille ... ialism-mea


It's interesting that he beat Hillary in Indiana. But that only really tells you how totally turned of Indiana is by Hillary. If Hillary wins the democratic nomination, which she likely will, guess who's going to pick up a lot of those votes?


I don't support any of these imbeciles. As for Bernie, he is more of a Twitter trend than anything else.
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LevV wrote: I don't see where Bernie is in denial. His campaign is clearly about more than seeking the Democratic presidential nomination.
Interesting post. Of course it could be Hillary was in denial in 2008.

I don't doubt Bernie will find it in his heart to support Hillary whole-heartedly, after the convention. The alternative will be the Donald.
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The New York Times ran an interesting piece about China's trade in steel and the damage in the U.S. and Europe (and even India). I don't think it is really justified to blame all of America's economic woes on free trade and China, but it is totally true that elites have been willing to settle for little or no gain for the working class in order to pursue other goals with trade opening.

Oddly enough, one of those was supposed to be bringing the rule of law to China and its party, and anecdotally it may have had some real success on that goal. But it will be ironic indeed if the net result of China's accession to the WTO is a return to managed trade because the West can't handle the (rigged) competition with China.
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I must confess that I am totally disgusted with both parties right now and all their antics--I am favoring Trump--however and this is a VERY BIG HOWEVER, he needs to change some of his demeanor and alot of his rhetoric; I am almost to the point that if this gets any worse, just might either vote for Bernie, or stay home--I must say in 72 years, this is the worst and most difficult election ever. I am scafred to death for this country and for what my Grandkids will be facing in their bright young futures.This country and these polis need to :calmdown: Dizzylady44
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Dizzylady44 wrote:[b :mrgreen: :( :-D

I must confess that I am totally disgusted with both parties right now and all their antics--I am favoring Trump--however and this is a VERY BIG HOWEVER, he needs to change some of his demeanor and alot of his rhetoric; I am almost to the point that if this gets any worse, just might either vote for Bernie, or stay home--I must say in 72 years, this is the worst and most difficult election ever. I am scafred to death for this country and for what my Grandkids will be facing in their bright young futures.This country and these polis need to :calmdown: Dizzylady44
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I hear you.., but part of his popularity IS his demeanor and rhetoric. He is being irreverent and totally non-PC.
Many people are fed up with just how far the PC Police have gone with much of their nonsense about "safe spaces" and anti free expression.
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