Chris OConnor wrote:Ant, show some damn heart. Seriously.

What the heckfire are you talking about, Chris?
Im not getting why youre saying this.

ant wrote:Some Atheists will most always deny crimes can be committed against theists simply because they are theists.
For example, Joseph Stalin did not declare atheistic statehood and then order the murder of countless Christians.
That was just politics because disbelief never turns into an ideology.

Well, gosh, the connection between the Oregon shooter and Joseph Stalin seems increasingly spurious here.

from CNN article . . .

"He showed no mercy. He ordered his victims to the ground and shot them even if they complied. He asked them their religion but shot them no matter the answer. He even shot a woman in a wheelchair."

It actually looks like our killer only had it out for people in wheelchairs. Yep, all other victims were just collateral damage, including the students in the shooter's English class.

I love this game of drawing connections that align with your own ideology. Yay!

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/04/us/oregon ... index.html

You're good, Geo.

Chris OConnor wrote:You're good, Geo.

That's fine except for one thing: I didn't label the shooter an atheist. Nor did I blame this crime on atheism per se.

What I did indicate was that the killer allegedly had antipathy for organized religion and targeted certain religious identities.

I find it brutally idiotic that Geo is apparently arguing that I am blaming atheism and Joseph Stalin for this crime.

I also find it psychologically telling that Geo gets his underwear all knotted up whenever I mention that Stalin was a declared Atheist who had theists systematically murdered. It was his "lack of belief in God" that motivated him to kill people who believed in God.

But of course Geo is going to commit the no true scotsman fallacy by saying that Stalin, despite his recorded allegiance to atheism, was not a true atheist.
Geo will rampage that atheism is simply lack of belief in a God.


Geo's a soft atheist fundamentalist. The kind that will criticize religion but then wish the word "atheism" and its patent examples of ideology out of existence.

Ps

You're not "good" Geo

What you are is hyper-anxious about "absence of belief" which in my opinion is a psychological red flag.

It was his "lack of belief in God" that motivated him to kill people who believed in God.

Expand on that thought and you'll see why you're wrong. Lack of belief alone isn't enough. At the VERY least, you must also belief theism is harmful. Another ingredient would be if you thought that killing people who believed something could make that go away. You also need to be morally damaged. These ancillary beliefs are not atheism. They are not sold like a pack of cards, where atheism includes them.

The furthest you can go is to say that it's a common pattern for atheism to be bundled with the belief that theism is harmful. Polarization works like that. For instance, it's a common pattern for theists to think atheism is harmful.

Your angle of attack doesn't work ant. Geo is right. And good!