Bob, if you didn't mean to say you "renege" on our agreement what DID you mean? You cannot "refrain" an agreement.

You haven't been nice from the start. You're talking to people here as if they are students and you're the teacher when the exact opposite is clearly the case. If you be nice we will be nice.

Bull! The truth is not in you! I asked a question, check YES or NO. This is not one of your debates. You were too condescending to go any further on this discussion! Period, end of statement. If you want the partial chapter than given an answer. You guys never answer any question. Wipe out the post, make it never to exist. You have the magic wand.

You're confusing because of how you speak.

brother bob wrote:If you want the partial chapter than then given give an answer.

Yes, I would like to receive the partial chapter from your book that you appear to be offering.

Section 4 - Unkowns about God Revealed

Chapter 22 Why Jesus had to Live a Sinless Life?
Understanding the Big Picture

Jesus, by Living a Sinless Life is the Perfect Son of God
How in the world did Jesus Christ live a sinless life? The answer is both complex and simple at the very same time in the explanation of this quandary. It is difficult for man to comprehend because all we have ever known or experienced is sin (breaking the rules of God). Sin is so naturally easy for man to commit as it is often part of everyday life. You have not, and never will meet a human who has never sinned in their life! So knowing anyone who had never sinned would prove they must be God.
God becoming a man without a propensity to sin
Jesus, being born of a virgin and living in the flesh of man, made Himself the most unique man in history. You see, the complex part was making a being without man’s sinful DNA and combining it with God attributes so that Jesus had His dominant God genes. However, Jesus without Adam’s sin nature made Him physically equivalent to the original Adam with a body devoid of a sin nature – a body capable of not sinning.
His God characteristics controlled and reigned supreme over any temptation His body encountered. In essence God trumped any possibility of doing wrong. His desire to live a life of Righteousness dominated His behavior. He always chose and did RIGHT. Thus He became the first and only man to never sin. Simply put, God cannot do any wrong to ever sin in a man’s shell of a body.
The Reasons or Reasoning for Jesus’ NEEDED to DIE on the CROSS!
Man needs to understand the reason God needed to die for man’s wrongs. It is a great befuddlement to men which makes it difficult for us to wrap our minds around such a concept. Here is the reason laid out that when completely clarified will make it easy to understand the purpose behind God’s actions.
A. The Picture Perfect Environment Destroyed
B. God’s Plan for Reconciliation
C. Mankind’s Desperate Need for SALVATION (to be saved from imminent peril or danger) only came by a SAVIOR!
D. Consequences clearly shown for those left UNPREPARED
E. LOGIC Proves the BIBLE’S PLAN OF SALVATION
Some people vehemently opposed to God argue that since He is omniscient and all knowing that man would sin makes God wrong instead of man. They ask “Why, if God knew that all of this bad was going to happen would He create man?” It seems a very fair and logical question. The answer is God created man to have a mutually enjoyable relationship based on free will actions. He did not want to produce puppets as one becomes quickly bored with such toys. God wanted the epitome of a true relationship where He and man worked together in harmony. It is wrong of God to create mankind where less than 10% wind up having an eternal relationship with Him to experience extreme joy and wonder together? Just because 90% may not take Him up on His offer does not make it an illegitimate proposition. God never chose to have man separated from Him for eternity. God does all that He can to produce a restoration of our relationship, other than, forcing us to capitulate (give up, surrender). That would make Him just a brute. He chooses not to embrace or exhibit any such character.
A. The Picture PERFECT Environment Destroyed
I often hear atheists complain that our world environment is so bad because it is imperfect because of certain evil in the world, and thus, making them question God’s lack of involvement to correct such wrongs. However, God created the perfect environment in only six days by making the Garden of Eden an oasis with the world’s best buffet, filled with luscious fruit, and outdoor sleeping arrangements. Adam and Eve had no laborious required chores. It was the perfect life of a permanent vacation. There was no sickness and no problems. God visited them on a regular basis to talk with Adam as they walked through the garden and provided the absolute best company. One would have to conclude this was the only true utopia ever experienced on earth.
God required only one thing in return, to not eat from the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden of Eden. Everything else was at their disposal, and better yet, free of charge. God was testing them to see if they could show restraint by choosing to obey Him. Adam choice was a temporal allurement to self-pleasure in exchange for the wondrous experience with the God of the Universe. Sadly, Adam failed the test and God was forced to kick him out of the Garden of Eden, telling man he must work for survival (Genesis 2-3). It is easy for man to exchange temporal pleasure over a fulfilling relationship with God. This all-time dumbest decision and most self-destructive behavior mankind repeats by opposing God’s laws.
B. God’s Plan for RECONCILIATION
Mankind broke his relationship with God due to sin, breaking God’s laws and putting himself in an untenable (indefensible) position. God, being the offended party and in the superior position by being the Creator, dictated the rules of compensation. Since man had no means to compensate or barter with God, man’s consequence was death (meaning eternal separation from Him), the only means to appease His wrath.
God showed the picture of how RECONCILIATION had to come about by showing the sacrifice an animal, likely a lamb, as Adam and Eve observed the proceedings (Genesis 3). This sacrificial death provided them temporary physical covering of clothing and signified how sin could also be spiritually temporarily covered. Because one animal’s death could not take away Adam’s sin and appease God’s wrath, it would be unfair to create a being to fully pay for the wrongs of someone else. Sin was not fully dealt with, but rather “swept under the rug” where ultimately there would have to be a day of reckoning (a settling of accounts).
Only God had the means to come up with a plan to rectify and satisfy His wrath for wrongs done to Him. This is very hard for rational men to understand, as they often expect and demand God to just “forgive” them of their wrong deeds. Man would advocate this solution, for God to just “get over it and get on with life.” To be the “bigger man” is what mankind thinks about their sin, even though mankind does not even practice this type of forgiveness themselves. Men often harbor pent-up anger from the wrongs others have done to them to years, rather than, forgiving them and going on with life. Sounds rather “two-faced” doesn’t it; man telling God to do standards which we don’t practice ourselves. This is simply so hypocritical and downright wrong of man, which of course is another sin.
C. Man’s Desperate Need for SALVATION
Most men do not understand what they have done to offend God and think they are not in need of any reconciliation (bringing two parties back together). The simple breaking of God’s laws by lying and stealing severs our relationship with God.
1. The Best Example of Why Mankind Cannot Spend Eternity with God!
The following example will make this concept much clearer for men to understand as to why they cannot receive reconciliation and forgiveness from God in their present condition.
Suppose I killed your brother and was sentenced by our court of law to serve 20 years to “pay” for my committed crime. After serving the full time in jail I am released to go on my merry way, once again walking the streets of my hometown free as a “jail bird.” Upon leaving the jail I quickly see a man approaching that looks eerily (an uneasy feeling) familiar, and the closer he gets it is obviously clear that we both recognize one another. It is you, the brother of the man that I killed. I can tell by the unpleasant look on your face that you are not pleased to see me. Stopping to speak as we meet one another I explain, “I just got out of jail today. I have paid my debt to society.” Your face tells a much different story. It is the look that you would rather ram something through me, causing the cessation of my life. No, to you I had not paid my debt at all! The ONLY WAY that I could possibly pay for the actions I took against your brother would be for me to DIE! My offense was so egregious (unforgivable) to you that my DEATH would be the only fair and righteous action for justice to be served and satisfy your wrath. Just as this man could not just “get over” the loss of his brother, and rightfully so, God cannot either. God, like this man, is such an offended party that death (separation) is seemingly the only answer! God is torn by wanting to spend eternity with us, but He cannot due to our SIN which brings His RIGHTEOUS ANGER.
Another way to look at sin is like a person with asthma cooped up in a very small, closed off room, only to have someone come in and “chain smoke” packs of cigarettes. If that person with asthma was God, He could not possibly stay in that room; He would have to leave to get fresh air. God cannot possibly spend an elongated period of time with us in heaven due to our sin. We would “stink up” the place. It too repulsive and revolting for God to have any long-term exposure due to our present sin condition. So GOD MADE A PLAN FOR RECONCILIATON! Let us see the full picture as an example of what God is willing to do for our reconciliation. Ultimately, God extends His plan of SALVATION to a helpless and hopeless mankind!
2. Redemption is Essential for possible Reconciliation/Salvation
Biblical Redemption means to buy back something that was originally yours. You are given another opportunity to buy back a previously owned object. First, it shows the true value of an item being extremely precious to you. Second, the item could have been lost, stolen, swindled or you were forced to sell it, but no matter what, another chance is presented for you to buy and own this item again. To buy something back takes two agreed parties, a seller and buyer. In this case, God lost His fellowship with mankind due to our sin, causing enmity (to become enemies) between the two parties. However, redemption is based on both parties coming to an acceptable transaction.
God originally owned mankind by creating them, but due to man breaking God’s law, they suffered separation and caused God’s immense loss. So God had to produce an act worthy of buying us back to possibly restore our relationship because man could not do so on his own. God has provided a means for redemption, Jesus’ sacrificial death, but man must accept the terms presented, which are totally in our favor. We must give our allegiance and seek to obey His precepts to request forgiveness of our sins against Him (Romans 10:9, 10). It is the very essence of the contractual agreement being exercised. Man must admit his faults against God and take hold of the proverbial rope for salvation (rescue from peril or danger) and restoration, two willing parties of God and man agreeing to the exchange of goods rendered; His sacrificial work and my accepting forgiveness and giving my promised allegiance to His will.
D. Consequences for those Unprepared to Meet God
The meaning of Passover came from conjoining the words “pass” and “over” (the tenth plague that was suffered in Egypt) as a picture of salvation for the prepared and consequences for the unprepared. God delivered the message to Moses that the Israelites must take a yearling lamb or goat that was spotless and without any ailments and kill it, picturing perfection, then saving the blood to put over the lentil of their doorway and each side of the doorposts. The lamb was to be prepared and completely eaten by the whole family in that one night. Even the remains of the lamb were to be burned. You would say it was totally consumed or used for a purpose. Those unprepared suffered the death of their firstborn at the hands of the Death Angel.
E. Logic Proves the Bible’s Plan of Salvation
We need to reconnect with God for our RELATIONSHIP to potentially and ultimately become what it once was in the Garden of Eden – God and man walking and talking together. Striving to communicate with a free-will being was God’s greatest desire. It is the same as the parent-child relations we see every day. It would be sad, fruitless and boring to have children controlled by all of our very wishes. The older my children got, my control lessened until they made their own path. They often experience the same successes and failures that I did, but we will all survive (I certainly did the same to my parents and we survived). God always desires that we do the best, but equally allows us the freedom to make choices to experience the benefits or consequences from such actions.
I have proven the need for a restored relationship through redemption (act of buying back) of a sacrificial Lamb (person who sacrificed themselves for a debt) that could enable salvation (rescuing those in peril or imminent danger) to any willfully obedient man.
The questions then arise: “Who could possibly be worthy to do such a selfless, sacrificial act?” “Why would anyone innocent die for the wrongs of others?” “Is it not unfair to ask one person to die for the potential salvation of so many others?” “Since sinful mankind is in jeopardy of eternal separation from God, who could possibly rescue us?”
God’s desired plan seems rather impossible! However, logic and reasoning will prove how this desired result could come about by:
1) Finding a being that could pay for the sins of the world requires their death since the offense is so egregious (flagrant, excessive, outrageous) to God
2) This being must be without sin to possibly obtain appeasement from God for wrongs done to Him. One could not pay for another one’s guilt by committing the same crime
3) Payment would not be equitable for one sinless man to exchange his life for all of mankind that ever existed. It is an insufficient sacrifice for one to possibly equate to paying for so many
4) It would also be unfair to create a creature to perform such an act
5) What if God cared for mankind so much that He sacrificed His only Son to bring about payment for man’s sin?
6) Losing His Son to death would be an unfair compensation by forfeiting their extremely close relationship. It is too great a loss for God the Father and Jesus Christ to forever suffer
7) Still a no-win solution. To lose His only Son to make an appropriate and full payment is more than sufficient payment, but at the cost of losing His only Son is wrong
8) Such a heroic sacrifice by His Son is too unfair to ask of His Son
9) The punishment transferred to His Son would merit eternal separation from God the Father. The weight of all this sin would stain Jesus Christ with too much shame
10) Could such a heroic sacrifice by His Son justify His Son’s resurrection?
11) Still, a God living a sinless life would be a “breeze” to complete as God always does right
12) This scenario could only happen if His Son became Man, EXPERIENCING THE SAME CHALLENGES OF SIN men do, and yet overcoming such challenges to be sinless; His death as equally man and fully God at the very same time would merit payment for mankind’s sins and also justify His resurrection by performing such a selfless sacrificial act to pay such an immense price;
13) This very ACT of dying for mankind’s sins would SATISFY GOD’S NEEDED COMPENSATION for being wronged so deeply. It would justify bringing His SON BACK TO LIFE for accomplishing such a selfless, admirable, magnanimous and somewhat seemingly impossible act to POTENTIALLY RESTORE MAN’S RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD! Essentially, it would have been a crime to not bring Jesus back to a restored relationship due to such a Heroic act!
14) However, man’s restoration was not complete by the actions of Jesus Christ. Man was still guilty, but with a fighting chance to be restored with God if he chooses rightly. He had to admit his guilt to God and humbly ask for forgiveness and then give total allegiance to God and His ways
15) This is the epitome (model) of faith; believing something one could not see, but still being fully persuaded that this is the only means to fix our relationship with God is so true and convincing.
16) For all of those who are crying that God should give us a second chance when we see Him in heaven, it would actually be your third chance because we are currently on our second chance.
Conclusion
Hopefully you can now see how God has actually bent over backwards to bring about a means of reconciliation with Him. God did all of the creating of a perfect man and environment but man quickly destroyed everything, making all look hopeless. God comes to the rescue by providing a plan to see if man would choose Him by extending the opportunity of a second chance. Sadly, man predominately thumbs his face at God by disregarding God’s laws.
Hopefully you can now see the reasons God needed to pay for your crimes against Him.

Best Wishes you sweetie you! Will be waiting for the grammar critique.

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7) Still a no-win solution. To lose His only Son to make an appropriate and full payment is more than sufficient payment, but at the cost of losing His only Son is wrong
Such a heroic sacrifice by His Son is too unfair to ask of His Son

Why did you put the cool-sunglass emoticon there?

I didn't. That's it. Nothing to say but question a smiley face. Pretty profound. Thanks for the feedback.

brother bob wrote:I didn't. That's it. Nothing to say but question a smiley face. Pretty profound. Thanks for the feedback.

You didn't?

It's right there in your post.

Why do you think number 7 is cool?

Ant,

He didn't do it on purpose. That smiley is created by typing All of our smilies can be created either by clicking on the desired smilie off to the left OR by using their text equivalent.

So he was trying to say that #8 is "Such a heroic sacrifice by His Son is too unfair to ask of His Son"