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Mr. Pessimistic  Professor Silver Contributor


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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 4:43 pm Post subject: Collapse - Jared Diamond
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Collapse @ Amazon
Quote: Amazon.com Jared Diamond's Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed is the glass-half-empty follow-up to his Pulitzer Prize-winning Guns, Germs, and Steel. While Guns, Germs, and Steel explained the geographic and environmental reasons why some human populations have flourished, Collapse uses the same factors to examine why ancient societies, including the Anasazi of the American Southwest and the Viking colonies of Greenland, as well as modern ones such as Rwanda, have fallen apart. Not every collapse has an environmental origin, but an eco-meltdown is often the main catalyst, he argues, particularly when combined with society's response to (or disregard for) the coming disaster. Still, right from the outset of Collapse, the author makes clear that this is not a mere environmentalist's diatribe. He begins by setting the book's main question in the small communities of present-day Montana as they face a decline in living standards and a depletion of natural resources. Once-vital mines now leak toxins into the soil, while prion diseases infect some deer and elk and older hydroelectric dams have become decrepit. On all these issues, and particularly with the hot-button topic of logging and wildfires, Diamond writes with equanimity. Because he's addressing such significant issues within a vast span of time, Diamond can occasionally speak too briefly and assume too much, and at times his shorthand remarks may cause careful readers to raise an eyebrow. But in general, Diamond provides fine and well-reasoned historical examples, making the case that many times, economic and environmental concerns are one and the same. With Collapse, Diamond hopes to jog our collective memory to keep us from falling for false analogies or forgetting prior experiences, and thereby save us from potential devastations to come. While it might seem a stretch to use medieval Greenland and the Maya to convince a skeptic about the seriousness of global warming, it's exactly this type of cross-referencing that makes Collapse so compelling. --Jennifer Buckendorff
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: Collapse - Jared Diamond
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Gregg Easterbrook has some interesting criticisms of "Collapse". That isn't to say that the book wouldn't be worth reading, but I would certainly want to get around to "Guns, Germs and Steel" before I bother with "Collapse". Here's the link, for those of you with accounts for the online version of the NY Times: www.nytimes.com/2005/01/30/books/review/30EASTERB.html.
For those of you who don't, the gist is that the bulk of Jared Diamond's evidence for the conclusions he draws in "Collapse" are culled from an examination of failed island civilizations. That's a problem because island environments are significantly more precarious than those of continents, making any analogy drawn between the fate of island empires and those of larger mainland regions questionable, to say the least. |
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Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:16 am Post subject: Re: Collapse - Jared Diamond
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Thanks for posting the link Mad...I decided against it because you need an account and I did not want to have people bothering trying to access it...but it is better that it is posted.
I have been wanting to read "Guns..". It is on my list...along with too much else!
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Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: Collapse - Jared Diamond
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| You know, I'm usually wary of the sites that I make accounts for, but the New York Times is one of the most reputable new sources in the nation. Seems like you could only benefit from access. |
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