Yahooo! Al Qaeda's Zarqawi killed in Iraq: ABC!

Chris OConnor

Al Qaeda's Zarqawi killed in Iraq: ABC

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The al Qaeda leader in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, was killed in a joint attack by U.S. helicopters and Iraqi forces, ABC news reported on Thursday.

It said U.S. helicopters hit a house near Baquba, 40 miles

north of Baghdad, at 6 p.m. local time on Wednesday.

"Zarqawi was apparently injured at first... The Americans found him. They handed him over to the Iraqis and he later died of his injuries," ABC said.

It said seven people were hit in the helicopter attack, including two women, but it was not clear how many were killed or wounded.

I'm really happy to see that this bastard was killed. He personally sliced the heads off a few people and supported it being done to dozens more.

riverc0il

it is nice to see that one of the major players in the action is no longer able to do his nasty work. though i have to wonder how many innocents deaths had to take place before we finally got him, and not just in this attack either. even the victories we make are colored in grey, i hate to say.

GOD defiles Reason

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Chris I'm really happy to see that this bastard was killed. He personally sliced the heads off a few people and supported it being done to dozens more.

Did he slice off those heads before or after hundreds of Iraqi kids were slaughtered?

Classical Celt

GD:

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Did he slice off those heads before or after hundreds of Iraqi kids were slaughtered

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How you don't know what this person (pig) has done and to compare it to the number of children killed (however innocent but never targeted) defies reason?

Chris OConnor

WARNING: Beheading Videos

Do NOT click on the links in this thread unless you're one of the people that think Zarqawi's actions were justified. I am VERY serious.

Mainstream media does not and cannot show Zarqawi's true character. If you have never seen an innocent man crying and pleading for his life and then seen hooded cowards knock him to the floor and saw his entire head off then maybe it is time. The following videos are disgusting, brutal and may result in you having nightmares or at the very least a rough next hour or two. I suggest you NOT view them if you have a weak stomach. If you happen to think it even remotely rational to compare the accidental deaths of innocent children to the premeditated executions of completely innocent men, women and children then I do think you need to watch these videos.

Again, I am sorry for posting this here, but reality can't be swept under the carpet. Each and every one of you needs to know that if Zarqawi had you in his possession he would do this very same act to you. Think about it. Just because you are an American or westerner or American sympathizer you would have a 12" knife cutting your head off while your throat spurts blood and your body convulses and gasps for air through your severed neck. You would die in Zarqawi's hands if he had you. You would die simply because of where you were born. Every single one of you reading this would be executed by Zarqawi with NO exceptions.

Zarqawi has killed aid workers that are in Iraq to help the Iraqi people. He has killed school teachers, police officers and news reporters. This thread was an attempt to celebrate the end of the terror known as Zarqawi, but to see his sick murderous actions justified is absolutely horrendous. Those that do so should be ashamed of themselves. You can detest Bush and be a peace activist, but rationalizing Zarqawi is sick.

I am aware that we have killed innocent people. But we don't target them. Killing Zarqawi meant innocent people died. This sucks...especially for the innocent people. But we don't purposely drop 500lb bombs on innocent people.

Watch these videos ONLY if you feel the need. I cannot stress this enough. You will not be the same afterward. I think some people need to see them as they would be better served by doing so.

American Hostage Eugene Armstrong Beheading Video (Killed By Zarqawi Militant Group)

Zarqawi's Group, al Qaeda in Iraq, Beheads Iraqi National Guard on Video

Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi Group Claims To Have Beheaded 11 National Guard Apostates

Niall001

Wish they'd taken the man alive. Now he's a martyr. If he'd been taken alive, it would have demoralised those who followed him specifically.

Can't say I really care about the whole beheading business. I've always found it a tad weird that people thought beheading somebody was terrible but lobbing a missile at them, wasn't so bad. It's almost as though it wasn't so much that he killed them, but that he beheaded them that angered people. As for whether or not, there's a difference between what Zarqawi did and what the Americans and friends did in Iraq, of course there is a difference. That said, what Zarqawi did was exactly the same as what the Americans did in Japan. Beheading people was about causing terror. He hoped to frighten people into submission.

Anyway, you've got to hope that this means that things will get a little better in Iraq, but I'm not so optimistic. Zarqawi seemed more of a figurehead than anything else. He didn't seem like any sort of military tactician. But hey, here's hoping.

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GOD defiles Reason

I don't understand the reasoning behind saying that watching something on a video means you support it. But I do agree that they're upsetting to watch.

Watching children cry in agony with a missing leg or a piece of shrapnel sticking out from his body has a similar effect. They'll make for excellent propaganda tools that will be used against us for I don't know how long.

One of the unfortunate tragic truths about killing this thug is that it's likely going to make matters worse instead of better. That's the shame of the situation we caused by invading Iraq. His death will mean, like Nail said, that he'll be a martyr. His supporters will make reprisals against Shiites and Americans, then we'll make our own reprisals and Shia groups will make reprisals. Every act perpetuates the next. All started with the tipping of the first domino when the Mission was Accomplished.

Dissident Heart · Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:38 pm Post subject: Points to Ponder

You can always hear the people who are willing to sacrifice somebody else's life. They're plenty loud and they talk all the time. You can find them in churches and schools and newspapers and legislatures and congress. That's their business. They sound wonderful. Death before dishonor. This ground sanctified by blood. These men who died so gloriously. They shall not have died in vain. Our noble dead.
Dalton Trumbo, author of the book "Johnny Got His Gun"

The U.S. intervention in Iraq, which pummeled the defenseless, was grotesque. But we ought not ignore that the U.S. had to try to minimize civilian casualties. This wasn't because this century's imperial leaders have larger hearts or more exalted souls than last century's. It was because our social movements made them fear the repercussions of still worse carnage.Michael Albert

An apt and true reply was given to Alexander the Great by a pirate who had been seized. For when that king had asked the man what he meant by keeping hostile possession of the sea, he answered with bold pride. "What thou meanest by seizing the whole earth; but because I do it with a petty ship, I am called a robber, whilst thou who dost it with a great fleet art styled emperor."St. Augustine

The United States dropped 6,727,084 tons of bombs on Indochina, more than triple what was dropped on all of Europe and the entire Pacific Theater in World War II. We will never know how many innocent Indochinese peasants died from these illegal bombings, but former U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara has estimated that 3.4 million Indochinese died during the war. Since the vast majority of these perished from U.S. firepower, estimates of the innocents who died must begin in the hundreds of thousands.Fred Branfman

In the course of the century, the burden of war shifted increasingly from armed forces to civilians, who were not only its victims, but increasingly the object of military or military-political operations. The contrast between the first world war and the second is dramatic: only 5% of those who died in the first were civilians; in the second, the figure increased to 66%. It is generally supposed that 80 to 90% of those affected by war today are civilians. The proportion has increased since the end of the cold war because most military operations since then have been conducted not by conscript armies, but by small bodies of regular or irregular troops, in many cases operating high-technology weapons and protected against the risk of incurring casualties. There is no reason to doubt that the main victims of war will continue to be civilians.Eric Hobsbawm

riverc0il · Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: Points to Ponder

i will reiterate that i am glad this guy will terrorize and murder no longer. this is a very good thing. although the implications that many more will die in the hands of those that view his death as myrthrdom as previously mentioned is cause for alarm. the current startegy of trying to loop off the top dogs of the organization is a good strategy, but there will always be loose cannons whether leaders die or not. all that said, i will repeat, that it is a very good thing the world is plauged by one less murderous killer that takes innocent lives.

but i do want to come back to the issue of innocent lives and be sure my previous comment is not taken out of context as being supportive of something that i am not supportive of (terrorism in general). we need to be VERY careful about the issue of deaths of innocents for two reasons. the first is likely the reason most politicians and world powers are interested in: that the more innocents we kill trying to eliminate terrorists, the more ill will and retribution and additional terrorists we will deal with. the second issue is more important to me, and that is the moral implications. how many innocent lives is one person worth? how do we make the calculus of human lives? and who are we to perform such dire arithmatic?

while our killing of innocents as collateral damage is different than terrorists intentional killing of innocents (be there no uncertain terms that these two actions ARE different), there still is tremendous moral issue at stake in regards to how many innocents we unintentionally send to their death beds.

much like chris said in regards to any of us would have been beheaded at this guy's hands, we also must consider that if any one of us was unknowingly standing next to this guy (or almost any one else for that matter), the operation would still have proceeded as planned. there IS a difference of intention, but a dead person is still a dead person. and while we should not dismiss the importance of a terrorist leader no longer plauging the world and killing innocents, we also should not dismiss the innocent lives that get sent to their grave almost everyday who's blood is on our hands.

GOD defiles Reason · Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: Points to Ponder

Here's an interesting article from a strategical point of view -- written before Zarqawi's death.

Either way, al Qaeda gets rid of a problem and gains another "martyr."

Dissident Heart · Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:53 am Post subject: Re: Points to Ponder

River: while our killing of innocents as collateral damage is different than terrorists intentional killing of innocents (be there no uncertain terms that these two actions ARE different), there still is tremendous moral issue at stake in regards to how many innocents we unintentionally send to their death beds.

If we know engaging in war will kill innocents, accept fully that dropping bombs, flying sorties, delivering missles, urban warfare, etc. will kill non-combattants...if we know this, and do it anyway, how can we say we don't intend it?

If I know a certain action will undoubtedly lead to certain consequences, and I engage in that action, then it follows that I intended those consequences...at least it follows that I am responsible for those consequences.

If I want to avoid those consequences, I don't commit the action.

Furthermore, I don't accept the notion that our intentions are to liberate, but to impose new structures of control and domination; friendly to our interests first and foremost...and I don't think the our in that statement refers to you or myself, or anyone else on this board...hell, I don't think it is in anyone's best interests. I think you agree with this.

I think it's also important to ask: how would we in the US respond if our country was under seige...invaded, our cities bombed, hundreds of thousands of foreign soldiers in our homes, public buildings, patrolling our streets, claiming the force of law, armed and shooting Americans...and surrounded by scores of thousands of mutilated innocents; women, children, etc. bombed and killed by these invading forces. I think this corresponds to the serious moral issues your referred to when killing innocents.

Another element that needs consideration when accepting the cost of collateral damage, is the risk at killing those who are best able to eliminate the threat the war is designed to address. Those non-combattants killed in war by our invading forces may have been the very forces needed to do the job our F16s and Humvees are dangerously unsuited for.

Edited by: Dissident Heart at: 6/9/06 12:02 pm


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