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Assuming evolution is factual, what do you think is the next step in our evolution?

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Re: Assuming evolution is factual, what do you think is the next step in our evolution?

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Interbane wrote:No one is saying we understand everything. My point is that contingent systems are different. Comparing the predictive power of theories about necessary systems to theories about contingent systems is comparing apples to oranges.
ant wrote:We do not have a clue how single celled life evolved into conscious life.
We have many millions of clues, encompassed by the theory of evolution.
So the standards regarding what makes a theory a scientific theory are lower for contingent systems?
Well..,, okay!


Never said anyone said "we" understand everything. That goes without saying.

What clues you in about how a single celled organism eventually developed the ability to do quantum phsyics, write poetry, paint the sistine chapel, and land on the moon?
Is the clue "because we are here"?
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ant wrote:So the standards regarding what makes a theory a scientific theory are lower for contingent systems?
Says who?
ant wrote:What clues you in about how a single celled organism eventually developed the ability to do quantum phsyics, write poetry, paint the sistine chapel, and land on the moon?
Is the clue "because we are here"?
All the clues that fall along our shared phylogenic tree.
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.” - Douglas Adams
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"All the clues that fall along our shared phylogenic tree"

Everything about our branch is a clue that points to the inevitability of consciousness, huh?
Okay, that answers that in one word - "everything" (on our branch)

Neanderthals were doing quite well with survival /repodution skills.
Why was it a necessity for nature to leap to abstract thought?
Cave art was necessary for gene survival?
The caveman that was the best artist got all the hot cave girls?
What's the answer TOE gives? The fittest survive.

We're going way off base now.
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ant wrote:Everything about our branch is a clue that points to the inevitability of consciousness, huh?
No ant. You try with all your heart to misunderstand.
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ant wrote:Everything about our branch is a clue that points to the inevitability of consciousness, huh?
No ant. You try with all your heart to misunderstand.
Then please tell me specifically how evolution predicts the rise of consciousness.
What is the specific law that nature obeyed and point me toward a scientific publication that provides the information I'm looking for (hypothesis, the experiment(s) performed to test hypothesis, and how the tests were replicated)

Simply saying our tree is proof is scientifically unsatisfying. It's a narrative explanation without hard empirical evidence.

Thank you.
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Let me calibrate what I said:
We do not have a clue how single celled life evolved into conscious life.
That is an enormous leap. Almost unfathomable.
Down the evolutionary road, it was an enormously improbable event to have occurred (single cell to abstract conscious thought)..

I believe Geo believes if the clock was set back to zero, nothing would guarantee things happening the way they did (we are here!).

I'm uncertain what Interbane thinks about this.
If he believes that consciousness would eventually rise again then that is only a belief of his.
It is without evidence. it is untestable. as such, it is a statement of blind faith and a just-so story.
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ant wrote:
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ant wrote:Everything about our branch is a clue that points to the inevitability of consciousness, huh?
No ant. You try with all your heart to misunderstand.
Then please tell me specifically how evolution predicts the rise of consciousness.
What is the specific law that nature obeyed and point me toward a scientific publication that provides the information I'm looking for (hypothesis, the experiment(s) performed to test hypothesis, and how the tests were replicated)

Simply saying our tree is proof is scientifically unsatisfying. It's a narrative explanation without hard empirical evidence.

Thank you.
Actually Darwin himself predicted that squirrels would evolve the ability to steal bird seed from my bird feeder. This morning, I observed squirrels having a feast, literally stuffing their cheeks with my bird seed.

QED.
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Actually Darwin himself predicted that squirrels would evolve the ability to steal bird seed from my bird feeder. This morning, I observed squirrels having a feast, literally stuffing their cheeks with my bird seed.

QED.
:lol: :lol:

I predict my indoor/outdoor cat will catch a mouse if I refuse to feed him for several days.

If I keep him indoors (controlled environment with adequate resources available and little competition) his belly will eventually become gigantic.

If I put him outside, his belly will get smaller.



AH! The power of a scientific theory! :lol:
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ant wrote:Then please tell me specifically how evolution predicts the rise of consciousness.
As far as I know, evolution makes no such prediction. The outcomes are contingent, not necessary.
ant wrote:Simply saying our tree is proof is scientifically unsatisfying.
Who said the tree is proof of anything?
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As far as I know, evolution makes no such prediction. The outcomes are contingent, not necessary.
So the theory of evolution can not make a related scientific prediction nor can it identify a particular law of nature.

Would you say that this is due to the blind randomness of nature? Our failure to identify a law is evidence of it?

That is a non sequitur.
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