But remember the Garden of Gathsemene, where Jeses was sweating blood, and as he prayed he had a moment where he asked to "have this cup taken from me." He recants this and says to let thew will of the Father be done, but still there is that moment where he questions the mission on which he was sent. So my argument still stands.Flann 5 wrote:No, I don't think so Nerd.Movie Nerd wrote:Whether Jesus "chose" to do it or not, he was born into the world for the explicit purpose of dying for our sins. If he "chose" not to do it, then he wouldn't be what he was supposed to be. Which makes it not so much a free choice.
Had he chosen not to do it he would not have come into the world in the first place. The fact that he did does not show that he had no choice in the matter.
Here's how Paul puts it. "Christ Jesus who being in the form of God,did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,but made himself of no reputation,taking the form of a bondservant,and coming in the likeness of men.
And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death,even the death of the cross." Phil. 2;5-8.
In Christian theology Christ is God co-equal with the Father and Holy Spirit. Our sins are offenses against God and it is God himself in the incarnate Christ who voluntarily takes the just judgement for sins.
This is an act of grace and mercy by God,and salvation is freely offered to all on this basis.
Some feign crocodile tears at the supposed injustice done to Christ while finding fault with him and his teachings in every way they think they can.
So Bishop complains about the duration of punishment for sins whilst rejecting the gracious offer of forgiveness of sins on the just basis of atonement.How can you complain about the punishment of your sins at all, if you reject what God has done to provide a just basis for and free offer of forgiveness?
If you choose justice outside of atonement then that is what you will get.
Also, when he fasted for forty days, he was tempted three times by Satan. All three times he refused to cave, but the very fact that he was being tempted in the first place shows that there was some small amount of doubt as to whether he'd actually go through with it. Remember, Jesus was fully God and fully man; we have to question how much influence the man side had at times over the God side. It's a fair question.