I don't think it's logical to think something can come from nothing.The eternal existence of the universe doesn't make much sense either and is contra indicated by the standard model.Robert Tulip wrote:The values of science include a commitment to logic and evidence and facts, to basing opinions upon observation, to be willing to change when proved wrong. These are all what ant dismisses as "values". Behe and his friends reject these values in favour of medieval patriarchy. That is the real covert agenda of creationism.
These theories are extrapolations from what is not observed. Bacteria stay bacteria no matter how many times mutated. Any speciation that is observed is still the same essential creature whether a bird or a plant. Finches stay finches.
What we should observe but don't are the myriad intermediate creatures leading up to the Cambrian ones.Could it be they never actually existed? Unthinkable! There must be a naturalistic explanation.Not only are these missing but a realistic explanation for the necessary genetic information to produce these is also missing.
You believe abiogenesis occurred because it's the only possible naturalistic explanation, and not because it has ever been observed to occur and you think dumb matter can create biological information. Abiogenesis is fraught with problems which anyone looking at it honestly can see.
It's consistent with theism that God could direct natural processes or create directly. building natural reproductive systems in.
You are very big on conspiracy theories Robert which just seem to fit whatever you want them to.
People who dissent can just be dismissed as nuts and we are told all is well with the scientific enterprise. Computer program designers see a big flaw with the idea of mutations being a creative force or generator of new or improving information in any real sense.
But that's o.k there are no scientific objections to the theory and those who may think otherwise are just nuts.
I think my butt which you say I'm talking through was intelligently designed, and your brain which you believe is rationally superior originates from nothing in the first place through a supposed event of abiogenesis and the rest is supposed history.