You are browsing the forum as a guest. Please log in or register to access additional features.
Online reading group and book discussion forum
  FORUMS ABOUT BOOKS VIDEOS ADVERTISE LINKS BLOGS DONATE CHAT CONTACT  

     Log in   Register 


BookTalk.org News
• Thank you for supporting BookTalk.org with your generous donation, Grim!
• Regular casual chats are back on the menu! Check out the calendar for the schedule.

Links to Explore

Community Rules & Tips
Info for Authors & Publishers
Our old Ezboard/Yuku forum
Suggested Books
Live Author Chat Transcripts
FACTS Book Selections
Rationally Speaking - Articles

Support BookTalk.org

Donate securely with PayPal
BookTalk.org Store (NEW)

Just for Fun

Games - 170 & growing!
Member Photo Album

BookTalk.org Statistics

Forum & Member Statistics
Site Traffic Statistics
Our Amazon.com Sales Stats





BookTalk.org Store

All store merchandise is sold with no markup. BookTalk.org doesn't earn a profit. These items are sold for fun and to promote our community.

Visit the BookTalk.org store!

Visit the BookTalk.org store!
Visit the BookTalk.org store!

Chat Room

Enter the BookTalk.org Chat Room

Enter our Chat Room

Dec. 2008 Chat Schedule
Jan. 2009 Chat Schedule


Author Interviews


Featured Member Blogs

Robert Tulip's Blog
Frank 013's Blog
Lawrence's Blog
Frank 013's Blog

- View all member Blogs
- See the latest Blog posts



We need your support!

Please support BookTalk.org by donating today.

See who supports us


Show us where you live!
BookTalk.org Member Map

Display Pagerank


Parecon: Participatory Economics...A Sane Economy

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    BookTalk.org Forum Index -> Politics, Current Events & History
Author Message
Dissident Heart Dissident Heart has been starred
Wisdom Personified
Bronze Contributor
Bronze Contributor

Avatar

Usergroups: None


Joined: 29 Aug 2003


Posts: 1706

Thanks
Given: 6
Received: 16 in 16 Posts

Gender: Male



PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 2:53 pm    Post subject: Parecon: Participatory Economics...A Sane Economy Reply with quote
Medal of the President of the Italian Republic Awarded by the International Scientific Committee of the Pio Manzů Centre to Michael Albert

Quote:
The highly prolific American economist Michael Albert is the author of a bold, innovative economic theory aimed at replacing self-serving competition in the economic field with egalitarian cooperation.

Together with his co-author Robin Hahnel, Professor of Economics at American University, Washington D.C., he has developed and popularised a radical economic model, known as Participatory Economics, which constitutes an alternative both to capitalism and to what used to be the Soviet-style model of Real Socialism.

In Participatory Economics, solidarity takes the place of competition and remuneration for duration, intensity, and onerousness of work replaces remuneration for property, power, or output. Likewise, methods of self management replace authoritarian decision making and a new method of allocation called participatory planning replaces markets.

To realise his project of radically changing a private-enterprise production system that generates economic inefficiency, Michael Albert counts on workers and consumers operating in councils according to the principle of participatory self-management.

The Pio Manzů Centre recognises that this American economist’s radical new theory constitutes the most powerful and fully articulated challenge to the current models of socio-economic thought and that Albert’s outstanding merit lies in the fact that he has indicated a new major highway in economic organisation as a feasible proposition.


Signed
Mikhail Gorbachev, President
Rimini, 17 October 2004


Edited by: Dissident Heart at: 9/24/04 10:31 am
Back to top
  Facebook it
Dissident Heart Dissident Heart has been starred
Wisdom Personified
Bronze Contributor
Bronze Contributor

Avatar

Usergroups: None


Joined: 29 Aug 2003


Posts: 1706

Thanks
Given: 6
Received: 16 in 16 Posts

Gender: Male



PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:21 am    Post subject: Comparing Capitalism and Parecon Reply with quote
Comparing Capitalism and Parecon

This facility very succinctly investigates, assesses, and especially compares the attributes of capitalism and participatory economics. Obviously no part of this presentation is remotely comprehensive. No one should be convinced by what appears here, alone. On the other hand, hopefully all parts of this facility do raise useful points of comparison and will provide food for thought and engender interest in more complete presentations.

www.zmag.org/parecon/capv...main2.html

Back to top
  Facebook it
Dissident Heart Dissident Heart has been starred
Wisdom Personified
Bronze Contributor
Bronze Contributor

Avatar

Usergroups: None


Joined: 29 Aug 2003


Posts: 1706

Thanks
Given: 6
Received: 16 in 16 Posts

Gender: Male



PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:24 am    Post subject: The Parecon Site Reply with quote
Participatory Economics (parecon for short) is a type of economy proposed as an alternative to contemporary capitalism.

The underlying values parecon seeks to implement are equity, solidarity, diversity, and participatory self management.

The main institutions to attain these ends are workers and consumers councils utilizing self management decision making methods, balanced job complexes, remuneration according to effort and sacrifice, and participatory planning.

"A great many activists and concerned people ask, quite rightly, what alternative form of social organization can be imagined that might overcome the grave flaws -- often real crimes -- of contemporary society in more far-reaching ways than short-term reform. Parecon is the most serious effort I know to provide a very detailed possible answer to some of these questions, crucial ones, based on serious thought and careful analysis."

--Noam Chomsky

www.parecon.org

Back to top
  Facebook it
Dissident Heart Dissident Heart has been starred
Wisdom Personified
Bronze Contributor
Bronze Contributor

Avatar

Usergroups: None


Joined: 29 Aug 2003


Posts: 1706

Thanks
Given: 6
Received: 16 in 16 Posts

Gender: Male



PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:28 am    Post subject: Parecon: Life After Capitalism. Entire Book On-Line Reply with quote
"Participatory economics provides a new economic logic including new institutions with new guiding norms and implications. But parecon is also a direct and natural outgrowth of hundreds of years of struggle for economic justice as well as contemporary efforts with their accumulated wisdom and lessons. What parecon can contribute to this heritage and to today’s activism will be revealed, one way or the other, in coming years."

From the Introduction to Michael Albert's "Parecon: Life After Capitalism" which can be found in its entirety here
www.zmag.org/books/pareco...efinal.htm

Back to top
  Facebook it
Dissident Heart Dissident Heart has been starred
Wisdom Personified
Bronze Contributor
Bronze Contributor

Avatar

Usergroups: None


Joined: 29 Aug 2003


Posts: 1706

Thanks
Given: 6
Received: 16 in 16 Posts

Gender: Male



PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:34 am    Post subject: Parecon: Life After Capitalism. The Book Discussion Reply with quote
Parecon: Life After Capitalism web-site containing scores of reviews from around the globe; including advance praise and endorsements from thinkers, activists, historians, and writers; as well as book jacket, table of contents, interviews with Michael Albert, and speeches from the 2003 World Social Forum in Porto Alegre.

www.parecon.org/pelac.htm

Back to top
  Facebook it
Dissident Heart Dissident Heart has been starred
Wisdom Personified
Bronze Contributor
Bronze Contributor

Avatar

Usergroups: None


Joined: 29 Aug 2003


Posts: 1706

Thanks
Given: 6
Received: 16 in 16 Posts

Gender: Male



PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:36 am    Post subject: Projects for a Participatory Society Reply with quote
Projects for a Participatory Society

Projects for a Participatory Society exists to propose, investigate, debate, explore, and advocate radical ideas for a desirable future. It focuses on social, economic, cultural, and political life. It's membership is responsible for this site and for related projects which include struggling, writing, speaking, and acting on behalf of attaining a better world. The PPS core values include solidarity, diversity, equity, self management, justice, and sustainability.

www.zmag.org/pps.htm

Back to top
  Facebook it
Dissident Heart Dissident Heart has been starred
Wisdom Personified
Bronze Contributor
Bronze Contributor

Avatar

Usergroups: None


Joined: 29 Aug 2003


Posts: 1706

Thanks
Given: 6
Received: 16 in 16 Posts

Gender: Male



PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:24 am    Post subject: Vancouver Participatory Economics Collective Reply with quote
Vancouver Participatory Economics Collective
Promoting a fair and just alternative economic system.


This is an information flyer in pdf format that provides an excellent introduction to Parecon. Easy to access, read, make sense of, and start the wheels turning.

Enjoy!

Back to top
  Facebook it
Dissident Heart Dissident Heart has been starred
Wisdom Personified
Bronze Contributor
Bronze Contributor

Avatar

Usergroups: None


Joined: 29 Aug 2003


Posts: 1706

Thanks
Given: 6
Received: 16 in 16 Posts

Gender: Male



PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:36 am    Post subject: Michael Albert's 'Thought Dreams' Blog Reply with quote
Michael Albert is one of the primary developers of the Parecon theory and economic model. He is also a foundational fixture and important member of the ZNet community. This is a link to his personal weblog:

Thought Dreams

Back to top
  Facebook it
Dissident Heart Dissident Heart has been starred
Wisdom Personified
Bronze Contributor
Bronze Contributor

Avatar

Usergroups: None


Joined: 29 Aug 2003


Posts: 1706

Thanks
Given: 6
Received: 16 in 16 Posts

Gender: Male



PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2004 6:02 pm    Post subject: Life After Capitalism, and Now Too Reply with quote
Below is an excerpt form the acceptance speech given by Michael Albert upon recieving the Medal of the President of the Italian Republic Awarded by the International Scientific Committee of the Pio Manzů Centre.

Quote:
The citation for the Award of the President of the Italian Republicthat I was graciously given yesterday, said that parecon is the "the most powerful and fully articulated challenge to the current models of socio-economic thought" providing "a new major highway in economic organization as a feasible proposition."

Anyone who believes that about parecon, it seems to me, ought to fight like the dickens not only to ameliorate the current ills produced by capitalism, but to usher in the benefits of this new type economy.

When we all go to movies and see courageous souls of the past represented on the screen, fighting against slavery, or against the subordination of women, or against colonialism, or for peace and justice and against dictatorships, we rightly feel sympathy and admiration for these acts.

The abolitionists, the suffragists, the labor union organizers, the anti apartheid activists, all the seekers of freedom and dignity are heroes for us.

It seems to me we should not admire something and then avoid doing that same thing.

If we admire standing up against injustice, we ought to ourselves stand up against injustice.

If we admire seeking a better world, we should ourselves seek a better world.

If we admire rejecting exploitation, alienation, domination, and its violent maintenance, we should ourselves advocate and fight for an economic model and societal structure that will eliminate these horrors.

I believe that participatory economics is such an economy and should be part of such a new society.

Thank you


Life After Capitalism and Now Too

Back to top
  Facebook it
Dissident Heart Dissident Heart has been starred
Wisdom Personified
Bronze Contributor
Bronze Contributor

Avatar

Usergroups: None


Joined: 29 Aug 2003


Posts: 1706

Thanks
Given: 6
Received: 16 in 16 Posts

Gender: Male



PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:21 pm    Post subject: Another Trip Abroad Reply with quote
Capitalism is theft.

The harsh and subservient labors of most citizens fantastically enrich a few others who don’t have to labor at all. In general, those who work longer and harder get less. Those who work less long and less hard get more.

On the upper West Side of New York City, barely a mile apart exist neighborhoods in which the average disposable income is on the poorer side about $5,000 per year and on the richer side about $500,000 per year.

The richest people in the U.S. are worth more than the populations of whole countries. The poorest people in the U.S. live under bridges in threadbare cardboard shelters, or stop living at all.

This gap is not due to different industriousness or talent. It is due to social relations that force the many to enrich the few.


Capitalism is alienation and anti-sociality.

Within capitalism the motives guiding decisions are pecuniary not personal, selfish not social. We each seek individual advance at the expense of others.

The result, unsurprisingly, is an anti-social environment in which nice guys finish last.

In U.S. hospitals, roughly a half a million people a year die of diseases they did not have when they entered. This is in considerable part a matter of hygiene and other correctable problems.

Yet there is no massive campaign to save these lives. It would not be profitable.

Starvation the world over has the same root cause; to feed the poor is not as profitable as over feeding the rich.

What health we attain, what food we eat, what housing we inhabit, comes to us because someone was seeking not health, sustenance, or shelter for all, but profit for themselves.

Economic logic seeks profit rather than social well being. Benefits for the weak arise only as a byproduct, not an intention, and rarely at that.

As Keynes put it, “Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.”


Capitalism is authoritarian.

Within capitalism’s workplaces those who labor at rote and tedious jobs have nearly zero say over the conditions, output, and purpose of their efforts.

Those who own or who monopolize empowering positions have near total say.

Not even Stalin controlled when people could rest, eat, or go to the bathroom, but corporate owners routinely exercise such power.

Corporations annihilate democracy.

Capitalism is inefficient.

Capitalism squanders the productive capacities of about 80% of the population by training them primarily to endure boredom and take orders, not to fulfill their greatest potentials.

It wastes inordinate resources on producing sales that aren’t beneficial, and on enforcing work assignments that are coerced and therefore resisted.


Capitalism is racist and sexist.


This is not intrinsic to the relations of production, but occurs because under the pressure of market competition owners inevitably exploit racial and gender hierarchies produced in other parts of society.

When extra economic factors reduce the bargaining power of some actors and raise that of others or when they impact expectations about who should rule and who should obey—seeking profit, capitalists abide and even enlarge the injustices.

Capitalism is violent.

The pursuit of capitalist market domination produces nations at odds with other nations.

Those with sufficient weaponry exploit the resources and populations of those lacking means to defend themselves, at times even unleashing unholy war.


Capitalism is unsustainable.

Markets propel short term calculations and make dumping waste on others to avoid costs an easy and unavoidable road to profit.

As a result, money grabbers accumulate and accumulate, ignoring or willfully obscuring the impact not only on workers and consumers, but also on today’s environment and tomorrow’s resources.

We see the results in sky, water, and soil, mitigated only by social movements that force wiser behavior.

Another Trip Abroad and a Major Talk Transcript: Life After Capitalism – And Now Too

Back to top
  Facebook it
Dissident Heart Dissident Heart has been starred
Wisdom Personified
Bronze Contributor
Bronze Contributor

Avatar

Usergroups: None


Joined: 29 Aug 2003


Posts: 1706

Thanks
Given: 6
Received: 16 in 16 Posts

Gender: Male



PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2004 5:04 pm    Post subject: Paraconish Intellectual Agendas Reply with quote
Pareconish Intellectual Agendas by Michael Albert

Quote:
What are additional or deeper properties of parecon or of possible extensions and variations of it?

In exploring and refining parecon as an economic vision, however, we won’t want to make either of two mistakes: 1) thinking that all parecons will be alike and that by naming/describing a possible feature of a parecon we are naming/describing an actual feature that must always be present in all parecons. Or 2) thinking that we have the means and information to closely read the future, or, for that matter, that there is good reason to want to try to closely read the future. In other words, we don’t need blueprints. The details of future economies and societies will of course emerge from the unpredictable and often very varied choices their citizens will make, not from prognostications much less instructions developed in advance. People will do what they want to do. But of course rightly avoiding over-reaching into excessive details should not prevent us from discussing what we are usefully capable of addressing now.

So even while avoiding mistaking possibilities for inevitabilities or over-reaching into excessive details, we can certainly usefully further explore the logic and implications of the key broad defining institutions of parecon, both intellectually and in practical experiments, and use the resulting insights to both improve the vision (without over-specifying the future) and to refine our comprehension of it and thus our ability to advocate and seek it effectively.

So, for example, what more can we say about the specifically economic implications of workers and consumers councils, of self managed decision making, of balanced job complexes, of remuneration for effort and sacrifice, and of participatory planning?

The issue isn’t trying to foresee tenth order or even third or perhaps even second order impact. The issue is to further elaborate and comprehend the main broad defining implications of these structural choices for liberating people’s options, behaviors, views, and fulfillment and development in order to test and investigate the worthiness and the viability of the vision. Likewise, what about demonstrating the mechanisms that would facilitate information exchange and preference tallying, in theory and experiment? That too would enhance the case being made. One could imagine not only practical experiments at various scales – such as workplaces or groups of them, and neighborhoods or groups of them, but also perhaps a larger scale simulation, whether in fictitious but carefully constructed computer form, or perhaps in a kind of parallel economic activity in the real world.

Back to top
  Facebook it
Display replies from:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    BookTalk.org Forum Index -> Politics, Current Events & History  
Page 1 of 1


 
Recent Topics
» Ch. 5: Why I Am An Atheist
by Interbane on Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:14 pm

» New Year's Resolutions and Poetry
by GentleReader9 on Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:06 pm

» Poem of the moment
by realiz on Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:05 pm

» Give me liberty and give me a welfare state
by President Camacho on Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:52 pm

» Love Poems
by giselle on Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:54 pm

» hi all
by martin harrison on Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:31 pm

» Suggestions Wanted: Feb. & Mar. 2009 Non-Fiction Book
by DWill on Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:01 pm

» War and Peace
by farmgirlshelley on Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:43 pm

» Ch. 1: Introduction: The Panic of August
by giselle on Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:22 pm

» Consensus
by realiz on Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:08 pm








BookTalk.org Suggests


Pirates of Manhattan by Barry James Dyke

Instant Appeal: The 8 Primal Factors That Create Blockbuster Success by Vicki Kunkel

People of the Book: A Novel by Geraldine Brooks

The Spirit Man by Sean Murphy

Additional Book Suggestions


Featured Videos

Andrew Bacevich
"The Limits of Power"

Andrew Bacevich on The Limits of Power

More Videos

Poll
Should it be illegal to wear a "POLICE" shirt?

It should be illegal because.... [4]
It should be legal because.... [4]

You must login to vote


BookTalk.org is a book discussion group, also known as a reading group or book club. We read and talk about non-fiction books, as a group. Live author chats where book group members can interact with and interview authors are common. We often give away free books to our members in book giveaway contests. Our booktalks are open to everybody who enjoys booktalk.  Booktalk is a free online reading group that features quality book reviews, resources for readers and book lovers. Discussing books is our passion. Non-fiction chat, book forum, literature forum, or reading forum. Register a free book club account today. Suggest nonfiction books. Authors and publishers are welcome to plug their books or ask for an author chat or interview.

MAIN NAVIGATION

FORUMSABOUTBOOKSTRANSCRIPTSVIDEOSOLD FORUMSADVERTISELINKSBLOGSFAQDONATECONTACT

BOOKS WE HAVE DISCUSSED