The Revenge of a Child

Dissident Heart

Well, I also happen to think that Macbroo's obtuse Religious supremacy is just another side of the same National chauvenism that I think you often exhibit on this board. You know, the kind that thinks the USA has the best form of politics, economics, way of life...should be transmitted across the planet, with force if necessary...the same kind of innocence that is always under attack by evil outside forces...a type of Nationalist Capitalist Economic missionary zeal that Macbroo captures so well in his fairly ugly vision of the God of the sojourn, peacemaker, and lover of the outsider, oppressed and crucified.

I should also add that this (the shared missionary zeal in his religious, your nationalist views) makes for a common political agenda which you can gree upon.

Furthermore, I don't think it is any mystery as to the missionary zeal of Corporate Capitalism and its accompanyting American Nationalism and Christian Fundamentalism that permeates the current Administration in the White House.

Edited by: Dissident Heart at: 10/26/04 1:53 pm

Chris OConnor

Dissident

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I think Chris' higlighting of the abuses within Leviticus, in this context, are important because they point out the supreme danger and outright obtuseness of Macbroo's self-righteousness and claim to religious supremacy.

Exactly, and this was my intention.

Do you think that Leviticus actually came from God?

Chris

"Education is the most powerful weapon which you can use to change the world." - Nelson Mandella

Chris OConnor

Thanks Dissident.

I'm going to add this note to a few of the busy threads. We have a chat with Normal Bob Smith Thursday at 9pm eastern. No need to comment in this thread or respond. This is just a heads up for members.

Info can be found here.

Chris

"Education is the most powerful weapon which you can use to change the world." - Nelson Mandella

macbroo

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Macbro, I once lived with a devout Muslim. Care to explain why he didn't kill me?

Yes, I would care to explain.

Your devout Muslim was a bad Muslim in allah's (satan's) eyes because good Muslims fight in allah's cause, which is to kill infidels and subjugate and enslave the world and force the conversion to Islam.

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Qur’an 4:95 “Not equal are those believers who sit at home and receive no injurious hurt, and those who strive hard, fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause with their wealth and lives. Allah has granted a rank higher to those who strive hard, fighting Jihad with their wealth and bodies to those who sit. Unto each has Allah promised good, but He prefers Jihadists who strive hard and fight above those who sit home. He has distinguished his fighters with a huge reward.”

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Qur’an 8:73 “The infidels aid one another. Unless you do the same there will be anarchy in the land. Those who accepted Islam and left their homes to fight in Allah’s Cause are good Muslims.”

You better tell your devout Muslim cohabitant that he's not living up to allah's expectations and better get off the couch and into the holy war! Or at least he should ponder this:

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Qur’an 48:17 “There is no blame for the blind, nor is it a sin for the lame, nor on one ill if he joins not in the fighting. But he who retreats, (Allah) will punish him with a painful doom.”

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Qur’an 47:20 “Those who believe say, ‘How is it that no surah was sent down?’ But when a categorical surah is revealed, and fighting and war are ordained, you will see those with diseased hearts looking at you fainting unto death. Therefore woe unto them!”

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Qur’an 9:16 “Do you think you will get away before Allah knows who among you have striven hard and fought?”

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Qur’an 9:81 “Those who stayed behind rejoiced in their inaction behind the back of the Messenger. They hated to strive and fight with their goods and lives in the Cause of Allah. They said, ‘Go not forth in the heat.’ Say, ‘The fire of Hell is fiercer in heat.’ If only they could understand! So let them laugh a little, for they will weep much as a reward for what they did. If Allah brings you back to a party of the hypocrites and they ask to go out to fight, say: ‘You shall never go out to fight with me against a foe. You were content sitting inactive on the first occasion. So sit with the useless men who lag behind.’ Do not pray for any of them that die, nor stand at his grave. They rejected Allah and disbelieved His Messenger. They died in a state of perverse rebellion.”

If you find these scriptures disturbing, then you qualify as a disturbed reader.

If you cannot distinguish between allah and the God who sent Jesus to his death for our redemption, then you can't be thinking or using your God-given common sense.

You cannot excuse the actions of the jihadists as "rogue" or "screwed up" actions. They are performing perfectly as ordained by allah (satan) and their scriptures. Those who do not fight in allah's cause (jihad), such as your cohabitant, are destined to hell fires fiercer in heat (as above scripture clearly states) than regular hell fires, I guess!

:lol

Now I'm rulingfor the hatchling!

Edited by: macbroo at: 10/26/04 5:02 pm

Chris OConnor

macbroo

Do you really think the God of the Bible is more loving than Allah?

Numbers 15:32-36 :: New International Version (NIV)

32 While the Israelites were in the desert, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day.
33 Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly,
34 and they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him.
35 Then the LORD said to Moses, "The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp."
36 So the assembly took him outside the camp and stoned him to death, as the LORD commanded Moses.

Please, macbroo, explain to me your true feelings on this matter. Do you agree that that man deserved to die? What do you think he was gathering wood for? Maybe he needed to light a fire to heat food and feed his wife and children? God commanded the people to throw rocks at this mans body until death. How do you feel about it? Was it right? Was it just? Do you think a loving God would really do such a thing? Or is it possible that human beings lied when writing this book and pretended a magical being made up such a rule and corresponding punishment?

Last, but not least, please explain to me how Allah is more like Satan than a God that commands people to murder a man for gathering wood. Please, please explain this.

Chris

"Education is the most powerful weapon which you can use to change the world." - Nelson Mandella

Dissident Heart

Macbroo is able to hilight the crimes of his enemies, while living blissfully in denial of his own, in much the same way many American Nationalists simply cannot see the crimes committed thruought America's deadly and bloody history.

And, it's really no wonder that his Nationalism is just another shade of his Fundamentalism.

Thus, the Terrorists are always someone and somehwere else...never our side, our Nation, Armies, or our Religion.

Our side, imperfect as it is, stands fundamentally for truth, justice, morality, and God's way of life...any mistakes are the result of flawed humans interrupting an otherwise perfect flow of holy agency.

Their side, imperfect as it is, rests in the bowels of superstition and insane nihilism, wretched to the core and completely irredeemable- unwilling to accept our gracious gifts of freedom and liberty; they work to destroy the free world.

Whether it be Americans who won't take responsibility for the Terrorism they commit; or Christians who can't accept the Blood on their hands; or the Jews who feel Terror is justified for their protection; or the Muslims who adopt Terrorist methods to overthrow their enemies...the whole mess stinks like hell.

And, rest assured, or dont rest, these mix of ideas and actions will create a hell right here on earth.


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