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Mr. Pessimistic  Professor Silver Contributor


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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 11:53 am Post subject: Islam - Sheep in Wolf's clothing?
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Here is something to get this started. The link is to the full webpage.
Muslim Answers
Quote: Misconception #9: The Islamic Threat In recent years, a great deal of attention in the media have been given to the threat of "Islamic Fundamentalism". Unfortunately, due to a twisted mixture of biased reporting in the Western media and the actions of some ignorant Muslims, the word "Islam" has become almost synonymous with "terrorism". However, when one analyzes the situation, the question that should come to mind is: Do the teachings of Islam encourage terrorism? The answer: Certainly not! Islam totally forbids the terrorist acts that are carried out by some misguided people. It should be remembered that all religions have cults and misguided followers, so it is their teachings that should be looked at, not the actions of a few individuals.
Unfortunately, in the media, whenever a Muslim commits a heinous act, he is labeled a "Muslim terrorist". However, when Serbs murder and rape innocent women in Bosnia, they are not called "Christian terrorists", nor are the activities in Northern Ireland labeled "Christian terrorism". Also, when right-wing Christians in the U. S. bomb abortion clinics, they are not called "Christian terrorists". Reflecting on these facts, one could certainly conclude that there is a double-standard in the media! Although religious feelings play a significant role in the previously mentioned "Christian" conflicts, the media does not apply religious labels because they assume that such barbarous acts have nothing to do with the teachings of Christianity. However, when something happens involving a Muslim, they often try to put the blame on Islam itself -- and not the misguided individual.
Certainly, Islamic Law allows war --- any religion or civilization that did not would never survive --- but it certainly does not condone attacks against innocent people, women or children. The Arabic word "jihad", which is often translated as "Holy War", simply means "to struggle". The word for "war" in Arabic is "harb", not "jihad". "Struggling", i.e. "making jihad", to defend Islam, Muslims or to liberate a land where Muslims are oppressed is certainly allowed (and even encouraged) in Islam. However, any such activities must be done according to the teachings of Islam. Islam also clearly forbids "taking the law into your own hands", which means that individual Muslims cannot go around deciding who they want to kill, punish or torture. Trial and punishment must be carried out by a lawful authority and a knowledgeable judge. Also, when looking at events in the Muslim World, it should be kept in mind that a long period of colonialism ended fairly recently in most Muslim countries.
During this time, the peoples in this countries were culturally, materially and religiously exploited - mostly by the so-called "Christian" nations of the West. This painful period has not really come to an end in many Muslim countries, where people are still under the control of foreign powers or puppet regimes supported by foreign powers. Also, through the media, people in the West are made to believe that tyrants like Saddam Hussein in Iraq and Moamar Qaddafi in Libya are "Islamic" leaders -- when just the opposite is true. Neither of these rulers even profess Islam as an ideology, but only use Islamic slogans to manipulate their powerless populations. They have about as much to do with Islam as Hitler had to do with Christianity! In reality, many Middle Eastern regimes which people think of as being "Islamic" oppress the practice of Islam in their countries. So suffice it to say that "terrorism" and killing innocent people directly contradicts the teachings of Islam.
Mr. P. The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P. |
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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 1:02 pm Post subject: Re: Islam - Sheep in Wolf's clothing?
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Mr. P:
Awesome beginning to an important subject. I'll look over that source and think about this awhile. I'd really like to accept everything the author says, and might just do that if the evidence seems to support it.
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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 1:16 pm Post subject: Re: Islam - Sheep in Wolf's clothing?
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This is a biased source of course, not that that invalidates it, but...
Let's find some other sources. The books I mentioned are good for the overall discussion and for a base of operations that will allow us to compare religious violence.
Mr. P. The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P. |
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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 2:30 pm Post subject: Letter to a Young Muslim by Tariq Ali
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Here's an excellent essay taken from a chapter in Tariq Ali's The Clash of Fundamentalisms: Crusades, Jihads and Modernity.
Ali is critical on all fronts, and no belief system or ideology or world view is left untouched by his faculties of careful analysis and brave confrontation.
The essay is titled "Letter to a Young Muslim" and here is a small piece of it:
Quote: I can almost hear your question. What has all this got to do with us? A great deal, my friend. Western Europe had been fired by theological passions, but these were now being transcended. Modernity was on the horizon. This was a dynamic that the culture and economy of the Ottoman Empire could never mimic. The Sunni-Shia divide had come too soon and congealed into rival dogmas. Dissent had, by this time, been virtually wiped out in Islam. The Sultan, flanked by his religious scholars, ruled a state-Empire that was going to wither away and die.
If this was already the case in the 18th century, how much truer it is today. Perhaps the only way in which Muslims will discover this is through their own experiences, as in Iran. The rise of religion is partially explained by the lack of any other alternative to the universal regime of neoliberalism. Here you will discover that as long as Islamist governments open their countries to global penetration, they will be permitted to do what they want in the sociopolitical realm.
The American Empire used Islam before and it can do so again. Here lies the challenge. We are in desperate need of an Islamic Reformation that sweeps away the crazed conservatism and backwardness of the fundamentalists but, more than that, opens up the world of Islam to new ideas which are seen to be more advanced than what is currently on offer from the west.
This would necessitate a rigid separation of state and mosque; the dissolution of the clergy; the assertion by Muslim intellectuals of their right to interpret the texts that are the collective property of Islamic culture as a whole; the freedom to think freely and rationally and the freedom of imagination. Unless we move in this direction we will be doomed to reliving old battles and thinking not of a richer and humane future, but of how we can move from the present to the past. It is an unacceptable vision. I've let my pen run away with me and preached my heresies for too long. I doubt that I will change, but I hope you will.
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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 3:24 pm Post subject: Re: Letter to a Young Muslim by Tariq Ali
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Dissident
Have you read this book personally? It seems like it might be a worthwhile read. Almost sounds like a Bill of Rights. Imagine how Islam would be changed if they adapted such liberal principles.
1. separation of state and mosque
2. dissolution of the clergy (I wonder what he really means by this one)
3. right to interpret the texts that are the collective property of Islamic culture as a whole
4. freedom to think freely and rationally and the freedom of imagination (and to speak freely?)
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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 3:46 pm Post subject: Re: Letter to a Young Muslim by Tariq Ali
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Quote: Have you read this book personally? It seems like it might be a worthwhile read. Almost sounds like a Bill of Rights. Imagine how Islam would be changed if they adapted such liberal principles.
1. separation of state and mosque
Yet here, in our democratic 'liberal' society, we have seen an attempt to chip away at the wall between church and state. How can this be? Our founders were pretty specific in this separation, yet many misread the 1st Amendment, attempting to show that it actually promotes the interaction of religion in our lives.
Do I think Islam needs to modify itself in light of our times, yes. I think all religions do, if they are to remain a viable system of belief for so many. If it (religion) has to stay, it must adapt. But unfortunately, many religions, IMHO, see adpatation and modification as a dilution of their foundational beliefs, which is why we have the cases of extremism, now put to the fore-front by radical Islamic fundamentalists. But all religions have their atrocities. To blame Islam as a prime mover in this regard is simply wrong.
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Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 2:11 pm Post subject: Re: Islam - Sheep in Wolf's clothing?
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| Regarding references the book The Arab mind seems interesting. It is supposed to be the classic study of Arab culture and society. I 've only read a handful of chapters but it offers insight about Arab mentality, cultural stagnation, the influence of Islam, attitudes towards Westernization. The book probably overgeneralizes but I got the impression that the author is trying to be objective and support everything he says. |
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