Liberty in Our Lifetime

Paul Hanks · Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 12:24 pm Post subject: Liberty in Our Lifetime

Hi everyone,

I'd like to share this link (non-commercial) with you all.This is a peaceful, rational group dedicated to freedom in America. They've created an ambitious plan of action based on reason and working within the system to effect change.

www.freestateproject.org

Meme Wars · Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 9:50 pm Post subject: Re: Liberty in Our Lifetime

Sounds like Libertarianism.

I often thought of us "Brights" (humanists, rationalists) moving in a concentrated masses to one area to establish law with a humanist bent. Silent on religion and mysticism, focus on providing basic care for all, a heavy dose of education available to all, and policies to stabalize population size.

One reason that "Liberty in Our Lifetime" will fail is its lack of understanding structure of systems and "Tragedy of the Commons". Example: Early days stop lights and speed limits were not needed. Then as population density increased and technology made ridiculous speed possible, we began to have alot of injuries and death. Laws created traffic directives and speed limits for the population's safety (thank goodness). As population increases, more regulations will be needed to make the complex society work.

If one wants more freedom, we must reduce our population size. But that means intruding on the freedom of reproduction. You see, our rights and freedom ends where another's begin. And as we get more crowded, we find our boundaries of freedoms shrinking.

Or we could have absolute freedom (lawlessness) and believe me, that is a miserable way to live. One must loose much sleep and energy defending their family and possesions from those others out there expressing their freedom, yet on the other hand that heavy defense is draining one's wealth and preventing one from going out there to increase one's holdings.

Simply said, it won't work. Yes, there are some silly regulations, but they weren't invented to make you miserable. They have a real pupose and most regulations are effective in making a better society. We just forget because we cannot remember the distant past of lawlessness.

Monty Vonn
montyquest@aol.com

LanDroid · Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: Liberty in Our Lifetime

It might be easier to start a new nation. I seem to recall an effort to start a Libertarian nation somewhere, probably a small island - can't find any info on it at the moment...


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