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Re: What is Pseudoscience?

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This is a fascinating discussion and topic. I have always viewed pseudoscientests as those who make claims they have absolutely no evidnece for, and when chanllenged, rebut with someting like "They laughed at (Pastuer, Einstiein, etc.)."

On many of these subjects, I have a opinion, but am open to persuation otherwise. My problem is with those who assert "My mind is made up; don't try to confuse me with facts."

I will close with a brief comment on UFOs. I believe in extraterrestrial life; the universe is just to big to think otherwise. However, I also do not believe we have been visisted, for precisely the same reason. I also know the debate will not be settled until a 'flying saucer' lands in Central Park (spot picked at random), and E.T. steps out and says "I come in peace."
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Alley-oop!

http://www.booktalk.org/post106284.html#p106284

I've begun discussing your assertion that evolution is un-falsifiable.
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Are you pushing your own short comings on us and safely hating them from a distance?

Is this the virtue of faith? To never change your mind: especially when you should?

Young Earth Creationists take offense at the idea that we have a common heritage with other animals. Why is being the descendant of a mud golem any better?
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Mr Erickson65 wrote: This book is a must read:

http://www.evolutionisstupid.com/
I looked at it, it's completely ridiculous.

Here's one quote:
So fish moved onto land, eh? If you watch Chuck Darwin science movies, you'll see that they did. And science films do NOT lie. Nothing to it! All the fish had to do was grow limbs, change their way of breathing, change their diet and digestive system, change their skin and eyes so they could see better and not dry out, change the direction of their motion from side-to-side to forward and backward, try not to get sunburned or freeze, change from cold blooded to warm blooded. NOTHING TO IT!!!! All it took was Time, and there you go! You've seen what happens to fish out of water. They DIE. But it should be OBVIOUS to you that, with MILLIONS OF YEARS OF TIME, all the changes that fish need to live out of water will take place, and soon enough, they'll turn into people. STUPID, is what it is. Darwin Clubbers KNOW it's stupid. They just won't admit it.
Needless to say, he doesn't understand evolution at all. You should try reading a real book.
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Mr Erickson65 wrote: Confessions of the Evolutionist. Loved it!

http://harunyahya.com/en/works/8063/
On the first page it says "there is not even a single piece of evidence that would support evolution."

You really want to stand by that?

It just happens that all the DNA evidence is consistent with a common ancestor, with the fossil evidence, with biogeography (different species on different islands, for example) and all being consistent with the time frame necessary for evolution?

You should at least go with the "God started evolution" argument, the Christians that are scientifically literate have had to go that way.
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Projected from where?
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Mr Erickson65 wrote:I've begun discussing your assertion that evolution is un-falsifiable.

Its Walter Elsasser a nuclear physicist who pointed out it could not be falsified for the reasons given I just happen to agree.
I also know that the proponents of the theory have moved the goal post so many times having been caught faking the evidence java man and so on.
This book is a must read:

http://www.evolutionisstupid.com/
I've noticed that many of our visiting creationists often rely on an appeal to authority. Albert Einstein quotes are popping up all over the place. Walter Elsasser is a nuclear physicist. He must know all.
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Thanks, this sentence stood out, although I read it all. "Every image that we see in our consciousness we project outside ourselves and pretend that we're seeing that image outside."

Cause and effect is backwards here. The outside world projects images inward, via the processes mentioned in the article. When we see a tree, all we have is the experiential interpretation from limited sense datum. The experience is distanced from objective reality, at the same time that it follows directly from it. When we look at a tree, the molecules don't teleport into our skulls. But that doesn't mean the molecules don't exist. It is what's called an abstraction, an informationally compressed version of the real thing.

The only way to make your point is to think up some test that could show your version of cause and effect to be true, and the "culturally conditioned" version to be untrue. What sort of test would that be? If we are able to control objective reality with nothing but thoughts, pick a test that can't be reproduced through natural means. Let's all believe collectively that the Earth is flat. We've done that in the past. Why does the Earth not follow through with that projection? It has ignored our understanding of it.

Or would you claim that the Earth was actually flat at that point in history when most men thought it was flat?
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Mr Erickson65 wrote:In the meantime you appeal to the authority of people like Darwin and Dawkins who both have none. Darwinism is no longer tenable according to Dawkins and Dawkins is a coward. Double standards much or what geo/dexter/any other proponent of evolutionary bullshit.

Bring it on!
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I remember that book. It's a load of non-sequitur Mr. Erickson, from the critique of how the brain fills in blind spots to conclusions drawn from amodal perceptions. Have Alva come here in person for a debate. If that's not possible, defend one of the many points from within the book. I'll show you directly how it fails to support your conclusion. Are you up for the challenge?

I'm interested in transcripts of your discussions with various scientists. Do you have them available?
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Mr. Erickson,

You've posted nothing but nonsense since you got here. Interbane's track record on this site is excellent.

He has demonstrated a far greater facility in logic even in his few short interaction with you, not to mention an extensive history which can be found in the old discussions logged here.

You have refused to engage in discussion, trumpted your single sentence non-sequiters as victory, spammed our boards with links to sillyness, quote mined, misrepresented the positions of great minds, and steadfastly refused rational dialogue.

You have a very poor track record here in just the few days you've been with us. I doubt very much anybody is taking your side over interbane at this point, and it is pointless for you to declare that you think Interbane is a nobody, or that Robert Tulip is a troll.

You have demonstrated yourself to be these things and worse in so short a time that it really does amaze me. it is evident you have really no idea what you are talking about in just about every sentence you type.

if you would like to discuss one of these topics, then discuss them. It does you no favor to declare victory over any discussion before it even begins. If you want your opinion to count for anything here, you should show that you can be engaged in rational discussion at the least.

I have invited you to discuss your misconceptions about evolution here:

http://www.booktalk.org/yes-evolution-t8939-345.html

and you refused it out of hand, yet continue to parody evolution having not investigated the answers.

I welcome you to post your misunderstandings there, where i will be pleased to answer them at length. I hold little hope that you might lower your hysterical shield of denial long enough to consider what i post in response, however others of a more reasonable disposition may stumble upon your screed and it's easy disposal and learn more about the world.
In the absence of God, I found Man.
-Guillermo Del Torro

Are you pushing your own short comings on us and safely hating them from a distance?

Is this the virtue of faith? To never change your mind: especially when you should?

Young Earth Creationists take offense at the idea that we have a common heritage with other animals. Why is being the descendant of a mud golem any better?
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