Even though it's not a theory of the origin of life. Interesting take from a minister
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Evolution challenges Christian dogma
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Re: Evolution challenges Christian dogma
Even after 150 years, Darwin's theory is causing aftershocks. Paradigm shifts don't happen overnight. Anyone with an open mind, willing to look at the facts, will see the light as this minister has, but there are still those who simply don't want to look.
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Re: Evolution challenges Christian dogma
Remarkable. .
I couldn't help but think of this...,
"all we wish to do is marvel at nature's beauty and simplicity. We have seen and tasted the beauty, simplicity and universality of our latest theories - We are now trying to uncover more of that. It is our belief that these is more"
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and this...,
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
Alas.., man is always attempting to understand his environment and his place in it better than his understanding of yesterday.
We all weigh the evidence to explain the natural world differently.
The elasticity of evidence seems problematic, for it all depends on context.
"The most beautiful system of the sun, planets and comets could only proceed from the counsel and domination of an intelligent and powerful Being" - Sir Isaac Newton
Of course Newton said that because he was pressured by "the default view" of all people in his day, including absolute geniuses. When a view contrary to our own is held by a genius of the past, create a narrative to sweep it under the rug. Newton said that because it was the default view! It says so right here (where?)!
And of course the naturalists' conclusions that design is an illusion because all the evidence is in (or is it?) is NOT a narrative, or a metaphysical conclusion - it's science because science said so.
Just thinking out loud here
I couldn't help but think of this...,
"all we wish to do is marvel at nature's beauty and simplicity. We have seen and tasted the beauty, simplicity and universality of our latest theories - We are now trying to uncover more of that. It is our belief that these is more"
Gerard't Hooft
and this...,
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
Alas.., man is always attempting to understand his environment and his place in it better than his understanding of yesterday.
We all weigh the evidence to explain the natural world differently.
The elasticity of evidence seems problematic, for it all depends on context.
"The most beautiful system of the sun, planets and comets could only proceed from the counsel and domination of an intelligent and powerful Being" - Sir Isaac Newton
Of course Newton said that because he was pressured by "the default view" of all people in his day, including absolute geniuses. When a view contrary to our own is held by a genius of the past, create a narrative to sweep it under the rug. Newton said that because it was the default view! It says so right here (where?)!
And of course the naturalists' conclusions that design is an illusion because all the evidence is in (or is it?) is NOT a narrative, or a metaphysical conclusion - it's science because science said so.
Just thinking out loud here
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Re: Evolution challenges Christian dogma
I am perfectly willing to concede that very smart people (an understatement for Newton) can believe in God.ant wrote: "The most beautiful system of the sun, planets and comets could only proceed from the counsel and domination of an intelligent and powerful Being" - Sir Isaac Newton
Of course Newton said that because he was pressured by "the default view" of all people in his day, including absolute geniuses. When a view contrary to our own is held by a genius of the past, create a narrative to sweep it under the rug. Newton said that because it was the default view! It says so right here (where?)!
But Newton also didn't say, "I have a theory of the universe -- God did it. See Genesis." He was doing science, because religion didn't help to explain any of it.
Newton also believed in alchemy -- we don't put much weight on that for determining whether we should too. If you can't explain and don't have the evidence, science leaves you behind.
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So your problem is with the Bible and religion, not the possibility of a Creator behind creation.., is that correct?But Newton also didn't say, "I have a theory of the universe -- God did it. See Genesis."
Can you reference a biblical passage(s) that attempts to set forth an apparatus to explain the mechanistic workings of nature?
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As the author of the article argues, evolutionary theory is inconsistent with claims of the Bible. Evolution has lots of evidence. The stories in the Bible about the nature of original sin, etc. have none. Is there even a debate about this?ant wrote:So your problem is with the Bible and religion, not the possibility of a Creator behind creation.., is that correct?But Newton also didn't say, "I have a theory of the universe -- God did it. See Genesis."
Can you reference a biblical passage(s) that attempts to set forth an apparatus to explain the mechanistic workings of nature?
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The author isn't very bright. And this entire argument by atheists regarding the Bible vs Evolution is an absolute strawman.As the author of the article argues, evolutionary theory is inconsistent with claims of the Bible. Evolution has lots of evidence.
The Bible has virtually zilch dealings with natural phenomena. It is a work about the relationship between god and man.
Stop propping up the strawman for a bit and give my question an honest shot.
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Really, the Bible doesn't make any claims about what happened in history and how the world works?ant wrote:The author isn't very bright. And this entire argument by atheists regarding the Bible vs Evolution is an absolute strawman.As the author of the article argues, evolutionary theory is inconsistent with claims of the Bible. Evolution has lots of evidence.
The Bible has virtually zilch dealings with natural phenomena. It is a work about the relationship between god and man.
Stop propping up the strawman for a bit and give my question an honest shot.
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Answer my initial question to you, please;Really, the Bible doesn't make any claims about what happened in history and how the world works?
Can you reference a biblical passage(s) that attempts to set forth an apparatus to explain the mechanistic workings of nature?
"What happened in history" is your red herring of the day.
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No thanks.ant wrote:Answer my initial question to you, please;Really, the Bible doesn't make any claims about what happened in history and how the world works?
Can you reference a biblical passage(s) that attempts to set forth an apparatus to explain the mechanistic workings of nature?
"What happened in history" is your red herring of the day.
Bible makes claims, no evidence for claims. The end.