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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Saffron, are you saying that you are "Someone who live[s] in turning to fresh tasks", too? I like his poems partly because you never need to wonder what else they might mean. That is in the good old Yankee tradition. So "Stopping by Woods" was said to be about death, but why go there, is my thought.
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I'd read that "Stopping by Woods" was possibly a metaphor for the temptation to explore the darker moods of the mind. I suppose that would include one's mortality.

"The darkest evening of the year" & "The woods are lovely, dark and deep" and last "but I have promises to keep"

This explanation seems plausible to me. I have to agree with you, I like this poem best straight up. And as for me, turning to fresh tasks, no that's not me. I tend to stay with the same old stuff, just in a sort of cycle (pick it up and put it down for awhile and pick it back up again). The abandon poems are not forgotten. I have always planned to go back to them. The demands of single parenting have kept most of my poetry unfinished. My daughter said to me just the other day, that come September and they are all gone off to school, it will be time for me to turn back to writing. Smart girl.

BTW - great avatar.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I knew I had a copy of that Lana Turner poem somewhere and I just found it. But my copy, from the Favorite Poems Project, is simply called "Poem," by Frank O'Hara. I like it very much, but am not familiar with O'Hara's works; does anyone else read him?

I think poetry must evoke an emotion in the reader in order for it to be pertinent (or interesting) to the reader. Which is why I like this one:

On A Quiet Night

I saw the moonlight before my couch.
And wondered if it were not frost on the ground.

I raised my head and looked out on the bright moon;

I bowed my head and thought of my far-off home.

by Li Po

(I wonder if this is the same Li Po who is the subject of the movie The Last Emperor)

And, for the same reasons, I like Frost's The Road Not Taken.

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I think poetry must evoke an emotion in the reader in order for it to be pertinent (or interesting) to the reader.


Quite right, I think.

I thought I ought to post the link for National Poetry Month.
http://www.poets.org/page.php/prmID/41?gclid=CKft_uTr_pICFQJLxwodXwjGG A


And this is from A Spring Bouquet of Poetry: NPR

In "Poetry," from his volume, The One-Strand River, published earlier this year, Pacific Northwest poet Richard Kenney worries about the state of the genre:

Nobody at any rate reads it much.

Your
lay
citizenry have other forms of fun.

Still, who would wish to live in a culture
of which future anthropologists would say
Oddly, they had none?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
A stately Pleasure-Dome Decree
Where Alph, the sacred river ran
Through caverns - measureless to man,
Down to a Sunless Sea.

I think this is wonderful....but....

I might be very, very wrong....but I think the poem goes downhill from here.

Saffron.....I don't know who wrote 'Daddy fell into the Pond'....I will continue trying to find out....my family loved it when they were little.

Does anyone else love Eliot's 'Prufrock'?

Let us go then, you and I,
When the evening spreads itself across the sky
Like a patient etherised upon a table.

Let us go through certain half-deserted streets
The muttering retreats
Of restless nights in one-night cheap hotels
and sawdust restaurants with Oyster Shells......




Oh My....I am all awash with longing....not to visit the restaurants but imagine, to be able write such evocative words.....

I so love poetry.....but then, I have measured out my life in coffee-spoons.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
You've all got me going now:-

What about:

Under the wide and starry sky
Dig a grave and let me lie
Glad did I live, and gladly die
And I lay me down with a will.

by Robert Louis Stevenson

It is so life affirming....and death affirming....there are not many poems which are 'death' affirming. RLS was a wonderful man - the Mozart of the Poetry world imo.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
This is what is great about poetry - it can say so much, so many profound and heart-rending things,so beautifully.....in so few words....

If only we could all communicate likewise.

It reminds me of the literature lesson....where we were 'doing' Hamlet's soliloquay.

....whether tis nobler in the mind, to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune

...or to take arms against....and end it.

meaning....

I'm really fed up - I think I might top myself........ Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'll say something really in earnest here (which I usually try to avoid) and seemingly overboard: poetry is like scripture for me.
Right on, Penelope, with your "Kubla Khan" and "Prufrock." I think the ending of "Kubla" is still pretty strong, though: "Beware, beware! His flashing eyes, his floating hair! Weave a circle round him thrice, and close your eyes with holy dread, for he on honey-dew hath fed, and drunk the milk of paradise." (Not sure of line breaks.)
"Prufrock" I like partly because I can understand what is going on so much better than in "The Wasteland!" But almost every line of "Prufrock" is memorable. Something funny is that on occasion, when I have felt humiliated or just completly unequal to the situation, I'll say to myself, "I should have been a pair of ragged claws/Scuttling across the floors of silent seas." This actually helps cheer me up!
Saffron, do you like Stevenson's "A Child's Garden of Verse", too? (Do I have the title right?) I like children's poetry or poems written from a child's point of view (as in some of William Blake's).
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Saffron, do you like Stevenson's "A Child's Garden of Verse", too? (Do I have the title right?) I like children's poetry or poems written from a child's point of view (as in some of William Blake's).
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Why of course! We have two copies in my house. And, yup, you got the title.
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Saffron, I know that DWill is in southern Virginia so he's probably alright, but I hope you are safe and warm and that the tornado didn't come anywhere near you.

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Saffron, I know that DWill is in southern Virginia so he's probably alright, but I hope you are safe and warm and that the tornado didn't come anywhere near you.

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Ralph,
Thank you for your concern. We are both fine. Will & I live about 18 miles apart. He on the western side of the Blue Ridge and me on the eastern (in northern VA). We work together. Will is how I found my way to Booktalk.
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t is so life affirming....and death affirming....there are not many poems which are 'death' affirming.


Penelope,
Here's the opposite sentiment from Dylan Thomas' Do Not Go Gentle into That Good Night. Although, I'm with you and Stevenson. I think to embrace death is to embrace life.


Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave a close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lighting they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

A little more Stevenson for Penny & Will and everyone else:

The Flowers

All the names I know from nurse:
Gardener's garters, Shepherd's purse,
Bachelor's buttons, Land's smock,
And the Lady Hollyhock.

Fair places, fair things,
Fairy woods where the wild bee wings,
Tiny trees for tiny dames --
These must all be fairy names!

Tiny woods below whose boughs
Shady fairies weave a house;
Tiny tree-tops, rose or thyme,
Where the braver fairies climb!

Fair are grown-up people's trees,
But the fairest woods are these;
Where, if I were not so tall,
I should live for good and all.
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I like it very much, but am not familiar with O'Hara's works; does anyone else read him?


I posted "Why I Am Not a Painter" on page one of this thread actually. Smile Frank O'Hara is one of my favorite poets, although I've not read as much of him as I would like.
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In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
A stately Pleasure-Dome Decree
Where Alph, the sacred river ran
Through caverns - measureless to man,
Down to a Sunless Sea.

I think this is wonderful....but....

I might be very, very wrong....but I think the poem goes downhill from here.


Just curious--what makes you feel that way?

I can't seem to find it online, but Coleridge published an author's note with the poem, explaining that it came to him in a dream, but that he was unable to record all of it before the dream fled from his mind, so the poem remains unfinished. I had always kind of ignored this story, but we had a rather interesting discussion about it in one of my lit classes freshman year. My professor suggested that perhaps "Kubla Khan" was a poem about writing poems and the fickleness of inspiration. Something I'd never thought about before.... I always just liked the way the poem sounded when read aloud. Laughing

Isn't that one of the best things about poetry, though, that it is meant to be read both silently and out loud, and then different things come to light in each type of reading?
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Does anyone else love Eliot's 'Prufrock'?


I missed this when I posted about Coleridge, but I wanted to respond! I was amazed in my modern poetry class to find how much I enjoyed T. S. Eliot's work. His descriptions are so jarring and original and his moods so darkly complex. I'm quite a fan. Smile
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Haha okay, one more post, since we're talking about "death-affirming" poems. I'm not sure if this fits the category exactly, but it's one of my favorite poems, and certainly my favorite about death.

suppose
Life is an old man carrying flowers on his head.

young death sits in a cafe
smiling, a piece of money held between
his thumb and first finger

(i say "will he buy flowers" to you
and "Death is young
life wears velour trousers
life totters, life has a beard" i

say to you who are silent.--"Do you see
Life? he is there and here,
or that, or this
or nothing or an old man 3 thirds
asleep, on his head
flowers, always crying
to nobody something about les
roses les bluets
yes,
will He buy?
Les belles bottes--oh hear
, pas cheres")

and my love slowly answered I think so. But
I think I see someone else

there is a lady, whose name is Afterwards
she is sitting beside young death, is slender;
likes flowers.

- e. e. cummings
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