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NBC Poll - Remove "In God We Trust" from currency? 

Should "In God We Trust" be removed from US currency?
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I think not, but how does one put up a poll on one's own blog page?



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Post Re: NBC Poll - Remove "In God We Trust" from currency?
We need to start eradicating the silliness of religious dogma, albeit slowly. But we must start. As Bill Maher said in Religulous, atheists are one of the largest minority groups in America, yet we don't have nearly the representation or lobbying power as smaller ones.

We could replace "In God We Trust" with "You Can't Take It With You". 8)



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Post Re: NBC Poll - Remove "In God We Trust" from currency?
I still don't quite understand why atheists are always trying to belittle the religiously minded? Things should be taken with a grain of salt, sure there are zealots out there who push their beliefs with the enthusiasm of a drug dealer in a bad neighborhood but we are not all pushers unwilling to concede to science and reality. Sure "In God We Trust" may seem a little one sided in today s world but isn't the sentiment that these words inspired what shaped the American Nation into the superpower it is today? Why eliminate what the American forefathers thought of as awe inspiring?



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Post Re: NBC Poll - Remove "In God We Trust" from currency?
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I still don't quite understand why atheists are always trying to belittle the religiously minded? Things should be taken with a grain of salt, sure there are zealots out there who push their beliefs with the enthusiasm of a drug dealer in a bad neighborhood but we are not all pushers unwilling to concede to science and reality. Sure "In God We Trust" may seem a little one sided in today s world but isn't the sentiment that these words inspired what shaped the American Nation into the superpower it is today? Why eliminate what the American forefathers thought of as awe inspiring?


1. It's not about whether the "religiously minded" are willing to make concessions demanded by science and modernity. It's about their willingness to accept the notion that a talking serpent fooled a woman into eating an apple, and that's why woman have labor pains and snakes have no feet. Or the idea that a human gave birth to the Creator of Infinite Existance. Or that if you die while killing unbelievers, you get to have unlimited virgin woman in heaven. These foolish fairytales beg belittlement.


2.a. The sentiment of these words is NOT what shaped America. The idea that man is born free and any government over people is by the people is what shaped this nation. The government's primary function is to protect those "natural freedoms" and let man build his life according to wishes without abridging his neighbor's freedoms. This is what helped build America's power.

2.b. Some of our forefathers probably thought that slavery was "awe ispriring". Should we reinstate the institution of slavery in deference to eighteenth-century worldviews?

2.c. Speaking of slavery, the idea that an all-loving, all moral, perfect diety would have me sell my own daughter into slavery (Exodus 21:7) also deserves belittling, if not repudiation and condemnations as an enormous lack of intellgence or moral perfection.



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Post Re: NBC Poll - Remove "In God We Trust" from currency?
1. I completely agree there are those out there who would read the story of creation as utter irrefutable fact, but as you said it these are fairy tales, but if you spend time studying faith and where these beliefs come from you come across one irrefutable fact the Holy books of so many religions were written by the followers of God, never by God. I think of it as PR, propaganda written during a time where wars were started over polytheism.
I may not be able to defend all passages in these books simply for the reason that the myriad of circumstances that existed during these periods of time no longer exist or pertain to our society, but were quite relevant when they were written. If my God is bigger and badder then the neighbors God the neighbors will stop climbing over my fence and stealing my olives.

2. A. One of the major causes that contributed to the mass colonization of America was to escape religious persecution and the pursuit of being able to worship how they chose. The separation of church and state ensured that no one religious faction would take control. There was no elimination of God or religion just the freedom to worship as you may.

2.B. Of course I do not believe that slavery was awe inspiring, but it was yet another thing that contributed to the prosperity in the colonies. Free labor, with little cost of upkeep gave the wealthy more power and influence. I will say this, many of the slaves who built America from the ground up came here with their own religious beliefs. What solace of soul would they have had without religious succor? I do not think it is out of line to say that religious is what sustained slaves who faced hard labor, abuse and murder.

2.C. I will have to go back to what I said in 1. God did not write the bible good ol' fallible man did, this is fact. Man is a corrupt wily beast who used the good word to propagate ideas that benefited the strong and those most able to capitalize on these ideas. I do not delude myself surely had I been born in those times I would have found myself on the market block next to a brood mare and a couple of plump geese because God came to my father in a dream, understanding human nature is what sustains my faith in all its misguided glory.



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Post Re: NBC Poll - Remove "In God We Trust" from currency?
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What good word?



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Post Re: NBC Poll - Remove "In God We Trust" from currency?
It was put on all paper money in 1955 by an act of Congress, it was declared a national motto in 1956 and evenually put on all money in 1957. Sometime in 1990 the Freedom from Religion Foundation filed a law suit to remove the slogan a federal judge discerned that the phrase was not a religious one. In 1996 the Freedom form Religion Foundation appealed it to the Supreme Court but they would not hear it.

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Magdalene wrote:

What solace of soul would they have had without religious succor? I do not think it is out of line to say that religious is what sustained slaves who faced hard labor, abuse and murder.



Good point. I wouldn't belittle those who have nothing to hope for and thus, turn to some "higher power". It's those who are free to access to knowledge and evidence, but remain mulish, that are silly. I think you would agree however, these instances do not evoke any respect for religious mularkey, but for mankind's capacity to transcend our our misery and give our lives meaning. A great little book on this topic is Man's Search for Meaning by Victor Frankl, holocaust survivor.



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Post Re: NBC Poll - Remove "In God We Trust" from currency?
I'm an atheist. I don't care. I have a friend who ends his emails with "In His Sign" and I don't care. I have other friends who actually think the government is there to help them and unions care about working people. I don't care. When I consider all the problems facing us, what is written on the money comes way, way down on the list. It's somewhere around getting my knickers in a twist of whether President Obama is a Christian or a Moslem.



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