Moron Alert: California Man Sees Virgin Mary In Wound

Penelope · Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:09 pm Post subject:

Thank you Chris...for taking the time to post all this.....it does matter to me....you are honest....and I appreciate that.....and I will read through it again tomorrow.

I am not being....ingratiating....(talking pretty) which is what I am reading between the lines of your post. Ingratiating Moi????

OK - My Mum was a Spiritualist Medium and talked to Ghosts....my Dad was a drunk and talked to Lamposts.

They both left me alone....to sort it out for myself. I was an only child....and, in fact my Mum and Dad were only married for a couple years....so I was actually just the result of a quick bonk.

Well, I went to Church..and I went to a Church of England School......so, yes...that will have had an affect on my thinking patterns....although very vague...because there is nothing very fundamental or radical about the Church of England, believe me.

I did read about Comparative Religions......and thought a lot over the years. I also read a lot about Marxism, Communism and Socialism......Because I lived with my Mum who was quite a 'Lefty'....she brought me up until I was 18 when I married. My Mum was always much more interested in Politics than religion.

So, Chris.....I suppose I was just born this way.

Chris OConnor · Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:14 pm Post subject:

DWill · Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:49 pm Post subject:

Following this discussion, and participating a little, has made me more aware of the truth of the old observation that discussion of religion
heightens divisions like nothing else (except possibly politics). I'm thankful that around Booktalk in general, discussions do not take on the tone of battle but are usually genuinely friendly, even when viewpoints are far apart. It may be true that I shy away from confrontation more than is called for, but I still have to think that darkening the dividing lines between us is the worst thing for us. I know that it might be said that to attack someone's beliefs is not to attack the person, but I don't believe it is really possible for us humans to do one without doing the other.

I know also that, Post-9/11, many think the ante has been jacked up around this subject of religion. It is no longer, the thinking goes, a matter of live and let live when it comes to belief in the supernatural, not when maniacs who believe they will be rewarded eternally for mass murder are preying on us. But doesn't that situation calls for a specific response against specific people, and not a blanket condemnation of any thought/belief one might judge to be "irrational"? There is not a monolithic quality to this matter of belief, faith, or whatever you want to call it, that justifies labeling all forms of it as a general threat to well-being. At the extreme, calls to stamp out forms of thought do bring to mind totalitarianism. Short of that extreme, calling out a person for the foolishness or irrationality of an idea seems to go against an ideal that we have at least attempted to implement, that of personal freedom of thought.

I am aware of the vituperation and discrimination that has long been directed towards people with no belief in a diety. So I admit that it can be hard for atheists to exercise tolerance when the same hasn't been extended to them.
DWill

tarav · Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:49 pm Post subject:

Chris said:

Penelope · Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:35 pm Post subject:

Tarav, you are being ingratiating!!!!

Tidy up!

tarav · Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject:

I am sorry that you feel that way, Penelope. I am not and do not need to try to gain Chris' favor by kissing butt. First of all, I know I am already in his favor! LOL My comments on his post were simply my feelings put into words. Tidying up is not necessary, thanks.

Chris OConnor · Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:18 am Post subject:

Penelope said:

Penelope · Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:23 am Post subject:

Penelope · Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:29 am Post subject:

Tarav - I have apologised to you on another thread.......

and admitted that I am the one who should do the tidying up. Embarassed

Penelope · Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:43 am Post subject:

Chris said:-

Chris OConnor · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:13 am Post subject:

Thomas Hood · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:54 am Post subject:

Chris OConnor · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:34 pm Post subject:

Thomas, thats for the link. I've always found Ouji boards intriguing, but have long understood how they work. It is still fascinating that the average person sitting in front of one thinks something magical is happening. An interesting experiment with Ouji boards is to blind fold the users, flip the board 180 degrees, and then watch the spirits somehow not know the board was flipped. The users will move their hands to the same letter places as if the board were in the standard position. The end result is nothing was spelled correctly.

Did that make sense? I am typing fast!

With that said I am not sure how you are relating Penelope's statement about spiritual waves to this effect. Are you saying that people that experience spiritual waves are really experiencing the power of the human brain to create imaginary things?

Thomas Hood · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:11 pm Post subject:


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