I must hold up my hand and say I have never seen either the film or the follow-up, as I tended to avoid 'war' genre in any form.
I haven't even begun Heart of Darkness because I have been enthralled by the short biography of Conrad at the beginning of my copy. What an amazing person!
My son is going to lend me his copy of the film.
When I say I have avoided 'War Genre' I have read 'All Quiet on the Western Front' many years ago. Also - 'Birdsong' by Sebastian Faulks, which I thought was wonderful and that is the book that is spurring me on to change my reading habits. Also, I was an enormous fan of that old TV series - 'Mash'.
When I tried to read 'Catch 22' - well, it might as well have been in Chinese. I felt as though I had something missing in my experience/psyche. It will be good for me to expand my horizons with your help. Then I might be able to go back to Joseph Heller.
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Well, thank you Ophelia - I am pleased with it, although of course it isn't Pre-Raphaelite like yours.
Is yours by Burne-Jones? Is it entitled 'Ophelia'? I know there was one called 'Ophelia' but I thought it was of a beautiful drowned girl.
Is yours by Burne-Jones? Is it entitled 'Ophelia'? I know there was one called 'Ophelia' but I thought it was of a beautiful drowned girl.
Only those become weary of angling who bring nothing to it but the idea of catching fish.
He was born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world is mad....
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I used to have the Holman-Hunt version of the Lady of Shallot in her tower, waiting for Lancelot? or was it Gallahad? to ride by., on my living room wall. I do love them (the Pre-Raphaelites).
However - I now have a more cheerful, beautiful lady in blue flowing robes on her bicycle!
However - I now have a more cheerful, beautiful lady in blue flowing robes on her bicycle!
Only those become weary of angling who bring nothing to it but the idea of catching fish.
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Penelope, "Catch-22" is just a tough read. It's very recursive for the first 150 pages or so, if I recall correctly, but it starts to sort itself out in the last half. If you can make it that far, it starts to reward your effort. It isn't my favorite book, by any means, but it is at least memorable, and I'd probably revisit it.
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Thanky Mad A
I was thinking about 'Catch 22' after posting earlier today. I remember Alan Bleasdale (Playwrite) writing an article about this book in a magazine article.
He said you had to have suffered to understand it. He had read it when he was young and found it opaque, but going back to it in later years, he enjoyed it.
He compared it to a young person reading Eliot's 'Prufrock' and said that you had to be middle aged or old to appreciate that poem. I think I agree with him on that one.
I was thinking about 'Catch 22' after posting earlier today. I remember Alan Bleasdale (Playwrite) writing an article about this book in a magazine article.
He said you had to have suffered to understand it. He had read it when he was young and found it opaque, but going back to it in later years, he enjoyed it.
He compared it to a young person reading Eliot's 'Prufrock' and said that you had to be middle aged or old to appreciate that poem. I think I agree with him on that one.
Only those become weary of angling who bring nothing to it but the idea of catching fish.
He was born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world is mad....
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Grrrrrrr...Heller....
Penelope, I don't know if this will help make you look more forward to the book, but I wouldn't categorize Heart of Darkness as war lit. There's definitely some violence to it, and the colonialism that we've been discussing. But there isn't any real combat or even much threat of combat. More skirmishes and the random violence you would expect from an untamed wilderness. Though the film definitely incorporates war.
Penelope, I don't know if this will help make you look more forward to the book, but I wouldn't categorize Heart of Darkness as war lit. There's definitely some violence to it, and the colonialism that we've been discussing. But there isn't any real combat or even much threat of combat. More skirmishes and the random violence you would expect from an untamed wilderness. Though the film definitely incorporates war.
Yet, they both made watery ends of it.Ophelia wrote: My avatar is "Lady of Shalott" by J W Waterhouse.
There is a beautiful "Ophelia" painting, but I thought it would be a touch too gloomy for daily use.
Every time I see your name, Ophelia, I think of that passage. Now, the question is: did I remember that by rote; or did I look it up? During my schooling, I had two instructors who assigned Shakespeare memorization coursework, which, as far as I know, was rare for the states at the time I was a student. I remembered most of it, but I had to look it up for 100% accuracy. Thankfully, I usually have my Shakespeare anthology on hand.There is a willow grows aslant a brook,
That shows his hoar leaves in the glassy stream.
Therewith fantastic garlands did she make
Of crow-flowers, nettles, daisies, and long purples,
That liberal shepherds give a grosser name,
But our cold maids do dead men's fingers call them.
There on the pendent boughs her crownet weeds
Clamb'ring to hang, an envious sliver broke,
When down her weedy trophies and herself
Fell in the weeping brook. Her clothes spread wide,
And mermaid-like awhile they bore her up;
Which time she chanted snatches of old tunes,
As one incapable of her own distress,
Or like a creature native and endued
Unto that element. But long it could not be
Till that her garments, heavy with their drink,
Pulled the poor wretch from her melodious lay
To muddy death.
Hamlet, (4.7.137-154)
No, you're right, as I recall. It's Lancelot.Penelope wrote:...the Lady of Shallot in her tower, waiting for Lancelot? or was it Gallahad?
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Penelope, I was introduced to the "Lady of Shalott" by Anne (with an "E") Shirley. What a way to find Tennyson. But how dearly I loved those stories as a child. Still do, actually. And watch the movies.
O.K. boys and girls we're less than two weeks away from the start of the official discussion for Heart of Darkness. Does everyone have a copy of the book? I'm looking forward to this.
O.K. boys and girls we're less than two weeks away from the start of the official discussion for Heart of Darkness. Does everyone have a copy of the book? I'm looking forward to this.