God Is Not One

Penelope · Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:01 am


	Quote: DWill wrote: Could that even become a genetic superiority? If nothing else, this is at least an ironic reversal of Hitler's certainty that Aryans were the superior race.

The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000; that is FOURTEEN MILLION or about 0.02% of the world's population. They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:
> 1910 - Paul Heyse
> 1927 - Henri Bergson
> 1958 - Boris Pasternak
> 1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
> 1966 - Nelly Sachs
> 1976 - Saul Bellow
> 1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
> 1981 - Elias Canetti
> 1987 - Joseph Brodsky
> 1991 - Nadine Gordimer World

Peace:
> 1911 - Alfred Fried
> 1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
> 1968 - Rene Cassin
> 1973 - Henry Kissinger
> 1978 - Menachem Begin
> 1986 - Elie Wiesel
> 1994 - Shimon Peres
> 1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

Physics:
> 1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
> 1906 - Henri Moissan
> 1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
> 1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
> 1910 - Otto Wallach
> 1915 - Richard Willstaetter
> 1918 - Fritz Haber
> 1921 - Albert Einstein
> 1922 - Niels Bohr
> 1925 - James Franck
> 1925 - Gustav Hertz
> 1943 - Gustav Stern
> 1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
> 1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
> 1952 - Felix Bloch
> 1954 - Max Born
> 1958 - Igor Tamm
> 1959 - Emilio Segre
> 1960 - Donald A. Glaser
> 1961 - Robert Hofstadter
> 1961 - Melvin Calvin
> 1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
> 1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
> 1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
> 1965 - Julian Schwinger
> 1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
> 1971 - Dennis Gabor
> 1972 - William Howard Stein
> 1973 - Brian David Josephson
> 1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
> 1976 - Burton Richter
> 1977 - Ilya Prigogine
> 1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
> 1978 - Peter L Kapitza
> 1979 - Stephen Weinberg
> 1979 - Sheldon Glashow
> 1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
> 1980 - Paul Berg
> 1980 - Walter Gilbert
> 1981 - Roald Hoffmann
> 1982 - Aaron Klug
> 1985 - Albert A.. Hauptman
> 1985 - Jerome Karle
> 1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
> 1988 - Robert Huber
> 1988 - Leon Lederman
> 1988 - Melvin Schwartz
> 1988 - Jack Steinberger
> 1989 - Sidney Altman
> 1990 - Jerome Friedman
> 1992 - Rudolph Marcus
> 1995 - Martin Perl
> 2000 - Alan J. Heeger

Economics:
> 1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
> 1971 - Simon Kuznets
> 1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
> 1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
> 1976 - Milton Friedman
> 1978 - Herbert A.. Simon
> 1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
> 1985 - Franco Modigliani
> 1987 - Robert M. Solow
> 1990 - Harry Markowitz
> 1990 - Merton Miller
> 1992 - Gary Becker
> 1993 - Robert Fogel

Medicine:
> 1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
> 1908 - Paul Erlich
> 1914 - Robert Barany
> 1922 - Otto Meyerhof
> 1930 - Karl Landsteiner
> 1931 - Otto Warburg
> 1936 - Otto Loewi
> 1944 - Joseph Erlanger
> 1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
> 1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
> 1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
> 1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
> 1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman
> 1953 - Hans Krebs
> 1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
> 1958 - Joshua Lederberg
> 1959 - Arthur Kornberg
> 1964 - Konrad Bloch
> 1965 - Francois Jacob
> 1965 - Andre Lwoff
> 1967 - George Wald
> 1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
> 1969 - Salvador Luria
> 1970 - Julius Axelrod
> 1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
> 1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
> 1975 - Howard Martin Temin
> 1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
> 1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow
> 1978 - Daniel Nathans
> 1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
> 1984 - Cesar Milstein
> 1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
> 1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
> 1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
> 1988 - Gertrude Elion
> 1989 - Harold Varmus
> 1991 - Erwin Neher
> 1991 - Bert Sakmann
> 1993 - Richard J. Roberts
> 1993 - Phillip Sharp
> 1994 - Alfred Gilman
> 1995 - Edward B.. Lewis
> 1996- Lu RoseIacovino

It just makes me think and question.

lady of shallot · Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:46 pm

Are we speaking of Judism as a religion or of Jews as a race? Penelope were all the Jews on your list practicing Jews? How relevant is your list without knowing what other prize winners there are and their religious views and/or ethnicity?

I will have to double check the population of the worlds Jews that you quote as it seems surprisingly low. In my own city of less than 100,000 people we have at least three synagogues.

My understanding of the intelligence question is that Jews placed a high value on education because of the persecution they have so often endured and that education is something that can not be taken away.

I would actually question whether the intelligence thing is such a given in any population of people who are said to be more or less so than others.

Also personally I have now involved in an activity in which about half of the other people Are Jewish and I certainly don't see any difference intellectually among this group although of course a very small population.

Penelope · Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:10 pm


	Quote: LofS Penelope were all the Jews on your list practicing Jews?

I have no idea. I am called a Christian because I was born in a Christian Country of Christian parentage...but I am not practising.

I was thinking more about natural selection...a la Charles Darwin. I am of the opinion that the Jewish race have given us a lot; not that I approve of their activities against the Palastinians. I don't approve, but it makes me 'think' which cannot be altogether a bad thing.

Rageeth · Sun Jan 22, 2012 3:22 pm

It's sounds interesting. I would love to read it.

lady of shallot · Sun Jan 22, 2012 8:00 pm

Penelope wrote:


	Quote: LofS

I have no idea. I am called a Christian because I was born in a Christian Country of Christian parentage...but I am not practising.
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Hi Penny I was surprised at your statistics, which seem to be accurate. The U.S. has more Jews than Israel! Maybe because I have always lived in the north east, I have always known many Jewish people.

As far as religious identity. That also is interesting to me. My parents were also Christian and the predominant faith here is Christianity, however I would never identify myself as a Christian. Don't you self identify in England as far as faith goes? The only time now we are asked this is upon checking into a hospital. We always answer the question about faith. . . "none"

Penelope · Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:08 am


	Quote: LofS wrote: Don't you self identify in England as far as faith goes? The only time now we are asked this is upon checking into a hospital. We always answer the question about faith. . . "none"

When we filled in the census recently and were asked about religion, we ticked the box for 'none' which, strictly speaking, isn't true in my case, although it is for OH.

If I went into hospital and was asked, I used to always put C of E (Church of England), as most people do who don't care much either way. LOL.

realiz · Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:05 am


	Quote: realiz, did you mean doesn't really want new members?

Oops, yes, of course I did.


	Quote: If nothing else, this is at least an ironic reversal of Hitler's certainty that Aryans were the superior race.

His extreme need to make this true meant that he had to get rid of a threat to this. (Nobody likes the guys on top.)


	Quote: The U.S. has more Jews than Israel! Maybe because I have always lived in the north east, I have always known many Jewish people.

And I am in the opposite position, growing up in the west, I have never known many Jewish people.

However, I have always known many people who are non-believers, agnostic and atheist. Growing up, we were one of the few families on my block who attended church on a regular basis. It was never an issue whether you went or not other than with the odd overly-zealous church goers. The term atheist was benign and I did not equate goodness with churchgoing as through my own observation I could see this was not so.

Prothero was quite scathing on his short chapter on New Atheism. I do agree that he has a good point, but his bias on this does seem to show through. I think that the attitude toward atheism and religion is very different in the US compared to Canada and also from region to region in both countries. Prothero stated that there are only 1% 'convinced' atheist in North America. I found that number very surprisingly low, but I guess that is probably because of that word, 'convinced'. And, I would surmise, that a much larger group would call themselves agnostic rather than atheist.

Perhaps this group of 'New Atheist' in the US are cropping up precisely because of comments like this of Protheros: 'A few years ago I wrote that, in staunchly unsecular America atheists had "gone the way of the freak show". I was wrong.' Atheism is the US was something you could not admit to being and as a result the most militant, angry, rose up to 'take aim' at religion to fight back. It is very ironic that in some ways they resemble just what they claim to despise.

DWill · Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:00 pm

I agree he was scathing to the New Atheists. But he wasn't scathing to atheists. The freak show comment does seem clumsy. I guess the fact that he admits to being wrong redeems him--that, and the other interpretation that he was simply saying that with the U.S turning so religious, atheism was as uncommon as circus freak shows.

Prothero thinks that the "friendly" atheists are now emerging more often. These are people who aren't averse to talking with religious people about religion, while not, presumably, making a secret of their lack of belief in supernatural beings. Since "friendly" describes the type of atheist I am, I looked on the web to find a friendly atheist site, and found one called--surprise--Friendly Atheist. But I couldn't find any indication that the site had a friendly attitude toward the religious. It seemed to be full of anti-religion, in fact. So I don't get how that differs from the anti-theist atheists.

Penelope · Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:43 am


	Quote: dWill: But I couldn't find any indication that the site had a friendly attitude toward the religious. It seemed to be full of anti-religion, in fact. So I don't get how that differs from the anti-theist atheists.

It is interesting isn't it? I have known Christian people, who have demanded that one support Biblical teachings up to the hilt, no diversions. I think they say that their faith will be compromised if we keep chipping way at it.

I have known a vicar who refused to baptise a child with a name that was not a proper 'christian' name and I remember reading in the 'Don Camillo' series of books about the Communist Mayor of the Italian village, wanting to have his baby baptised, but he wanted to call it Lenin, Trotsky...or whatever and Don Camillo (the Catholic Priest) refused, only to be told off by The Lord - (in the books the crucifix used to chat to him). They are books which, very humanely, make our longing for religion and spirituality seem quite human and acceptable, (the dear, perplexed Don Camillo), but also our avid rejection of religion (as the opiate of the people) also quite human and understandable in the character of the young and vibrant Communist Mayor. They are very humorous books because they show us ourselves and they have formed a lot of my attitudes to life, the world and everything. Come to think of it.....you'd best not read them...LOL.

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