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From the archives: Lennox vs. Dawkins, Has Science Buried God?

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From the archives: Lennox vs. Dawkins, Has Science Buried God?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0UIbd0eLxw

Watch Lennox destroy that fool Dawkins! (or is it the other way around?)

Start at about 4:20

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Re: From the archives: Lennox vs. Dawkins, Has Science Buried God?

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Great post Dexter!

Lennox vs. Dawkins, sums up really well both sides of a complex issue.
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Re: From the archives: Lennox vs. Dawkins, Has Science Buried God?

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I've watched about 20 minutes and it's such a congenial unmoderated discussion between two gentlemen. Very interesting. But of course, they're British. Don't think this would be possible with two American counterparts. :lol:
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The civility remains throughout the debate.

What's informative is watching two pro's make their respective case.
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Re: From the archives: Lennox vs. Dawkins, Has Science Buried God?

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Notice how Dawkins relies on just as many presuppositions, despite implying that only evidence guides his reasoning.

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Indeed, presupposition is a trap set by Lennox, who of course has bound himself to a presupposed argument from the get-go,(his belief dictates such) Dawkins of course recognizes this preordained position of Lennox's and brings the debate back to point.

Its the same trick Steven Meyer used against Charles Marshall in Flanns linked debate from another thread.

It works something like this; Get the evolutionist to start talking/hypothesizing about origins, be it either cosmological or human,(muddied waters to say the least, due to the impossibility of knowing first cause) then accuse, in this case, Dawkins or Marshall of presupposition, Its pure point scoring, which both our intrepid evolutionist quickly counter pose.

There's the difficult choice for the likes of Lennox and Meyer to admit the veracity of TOE, then fall back to the GotG, and ID line, (if it looks like purpose, than God did it).

Mind you, I trying to use what Guy P. Harrison calls "Good Thinking", I'm not expert but I am trying.

Neither Dawkins or Lennox broke a sweat, something I often do in a figurative sense many times here on BookTalk.org. I sometimes simply do not know where some people are coming from.(its disconcerting to say the least)
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Re: From the archives: Lennox vs. Dawkins, Has Science Buried God?

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Taylor wrote:Indeed, presupposition is a trap set by Lennox, who of course has bound himself to a presupposed argument from the get-go,(his belief dictates such) Dawkins of course recognizes this preordained position of Lennox's and brings the debate back to point.

Its the same trick Steven Meyer used against Charles Marshall in Flanns linked debate from another thread.

It works something like this; Get the evolutionist to start talking/hypothesizing about origins, be it either cosmological or human,(muddied waters to say the least, due to the impossibility of knowing first cause) then accuse, in this case, Dawkins or Marshall of presupposition, Its pure point scoring, which both our intrepid evolutionist quickly counter pose.

There's the difficult choice for the likes of Lennox and Meyer to admit the veracity of TOE, then fall back to the GotG, and ID line, (if it looks like purpose, than God did it).

Mind you, I trying to use what Guy P. Harrison calls "Good Thinking", I'm not expert but I am trying.

Neither Dawkins or Lennox broke a sweat, something I often do in a figurative sense many times here on BookTalk.org. I sometimes simply do not know where some people are coming from.(its disconcerting to say the least)

Lennox slaughtered the hyper presumptuous Dawkins, who hasn't been a working scientist since God (pun intended) knows how long.
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Re: From the archives: Lennox vs. Dawkins, Has Science Buried God?

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Lennox at about 48 min:

"ancient historians, many of them even at the skeptical end of the spectrum, say that the evidence for the resurrection of Christ is very powerful."

You want to defend this total bullshit?
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Ant wrote:
Lennox slaughtered the hyper presumptuous Dawkins, who hasn't been a working scientist since God (pun intended) knows how long.
:P

"Slaughtered"! really! I wouldn't go so far as that, The whole debate is circular, there is no right answer, as you and others have said, agnosticism is the only true position.

Don't we as humans, at some point in life have to take a side? Daily we are confronted by choices, if we are agnostic about them all, we, none of us, would be here and now. Except of course those who take a side, its survival to choose.

In the case of first cause or God vs. chance and self determination, the true challenge is to eliminate the life or death consequence of making that choice.

I was reading the intro to "The Rise of Early Modern Science: Islam, China and the West" I stopped to respond here. :P
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Re: From the archives: Lennox vs. Dawkins, Has Science Buried God?

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Dexter:
Lennox at about 48 min:

"ancient historians, many of them even at the skeptical end of the spectrum, say that the evidence for the resurrection of Christ is very powerful."

You want to defend this total bullshit?
Lennox did manage to get an admission of the historicity of Jesus. Minor victory for his cause.
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