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Does evolution prove there is no God?

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2004 9:25 pm    Post subject: Does evolution prove there is no God? Reply with quote
Some theists attack evolutionary theory as if the very existence of their God depends on it's invalidation. In reality, evolution doesn't even pertain to the origin of life, just the process of change. Any opinions?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 10:06 am    Post subject: Re: Does evolution prove there is no God? Reply with quote
As Michael Shermer states in "How We Believe", the god question is 'insoluble'. I still do not think there is a god, and I base this on an educated guess after examining the available evidence.

The fact that those who do believe would view evolution as a threat to everything they believe tells me that maybe they are not as convinced as they would like to appear.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Does evolution prove there is no God? Reply with quote
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The fact that those who do believe would view evolution as a threat to everything they believe tells me that maybe they are not as convinced as they would like to appear.


Exactly! If beliefs are built on a solid foundation the prospect of critical examination shouldn't be intimidating.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 10:39 am    Post subject: Re: Does evolution prove there is no God? Reply with quote
Does God disprove evoultion is a far more interesting question, if you ask me.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 12:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Does evolution prove there is no God? Reply with quote
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How so? Do tell. I could not gauge how interesting this topic would be by the lack of supportive info.
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Just ribbin ya...no offense! ;)

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If beliefs are built on a solid foundation the prospect of critical examination shouldn't be intimidating.


And so 'they' will cling to those foundational beliefs as their house slides down the mountainside.

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As the christian song goes - the wise man built his house upon the stone and the foolish man built his house upon the sand...

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Welcome RickU. Which do you feel is the stone and which the sand?

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Stone is reason and the sand is irrational unconditional faith.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 3:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Does evolution prove there is no God? Reply with quote
I was really hoping Brother William would delve into how God could disprove Evolution. I just do not see how it can be done when the God question cannot be tested in any reasonable way.

The bible is the only direct word of god, and since evolution was not postulated (at least to the extent we now understand it) in those olden times, of course there is no mention of it...to my knowledge. So where would the proof FROM GOD come from?

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