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Do you believe life exists on other planets?

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Post Re: Do you believe life exists on other planets?
Some sort of life on other planets, absolutely...I've seen articles that convincingly argue that it is a near certainty. Intelligent life? Perhaps, but not neccessarily life that is on the same level or time scale as ourselves, or possesses any interest in contact or exploration.

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Post Re: Do you believe life exists on other planets?
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Intelligent life? Perhaps, but not neccessarily life that is on the same level or time scale as ourselves


But there very well may be life that is on a higher level than ourselves, no? Anything is possible.

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Post Re: Do you believe life exists on other planets?
Didn't mean to imply otherwise. But given how long the time scale is, and the uncertainty of sustaining technology, it makes you wonder how lucky we'd need to be to hit someone cabable or interested in contact...

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Post Re: Do you believe life exists on other planets?
But that analysis depends on an even distribution of intelligent species through space and time.

Reality ain't so.

Ever do the 'birthday' survey in math class? Find out how hard it is to find 365 people with no birthdays in common? We may be isolated, or we may be just about to get radio signals from a fairly equal race just next door.






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Post Re: Do you believe life exists on other planets?
I don't have information to do more than guess, but if I have to guess yes or no, I'll say yes, there probably is at least some form of life on other planets.




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Post Re: Do you believe life exists on other planets?
Ok, well I'd say probably. Life probably exists on other planets, but where it exists, it is probably simple.

I doubt that there is (currently), what we call, intelligent life in other parts of the universe simply because the series of unlikely events that lead to our development are seriously unlikely to occur on another planet.

Now, it might be that other intelligent life forms will develop in the future, and it might be that other intelligent life forms existed in the past, but the chances that our existence would intersect with the existence of another intelligent life form seems insignificant.

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Post Re: Do you believe life exists on other planets?
Yes, intelligent life existing on another planet is extremely unlikely.

But....

Fortunately, this universe is so damn massive that this extremely unlikely event is bound to happen frequently. Think about it this way. What are the chances of winning the lottery? Let's say 1:14,000,000. Pretty unlikely, eh? But what if you bought 637,847,422,542,245 tickets? You'd win MILLIONS of times.




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Post Re: Do you believe life exists on other planets?
Yes, but I think you underestimate just how unlikely our development was.

We've been here for 0.0001 per cent of the earth's history. The fact that humans even developed was largely down to dumb luck and we've been near enough extinction plenty of times. Had dinosaurs not died out in freak circumstances, mamals would never have developed in the way they did.

Then there are the unique factors of earth, not just in relation to our distance from the sun etc. but things like our molten core, how many planets have a molten core?

When we look around us at all the millions of other species, all the different forms of life, we are seeing only a fraction of the ways in which life could potentially develop (100 million is an estimate on the number of species that exist today). The many millions of lifeforms that exist on earth today are only a fraction of all that have ever been and we, humans, are only one of an infinite number of species that primitive life could develop into.

So there are three major factors.

A planet like our own would be hard to find because our type of solar system is rather rare. Second, the chances that you'd find a planet just the right distance away from a star to support life is tiny.

The second factor would be whether or not primitive life would arise and, importantly, survive. This is also unlikely.

The third factor is that intelligent life is just so unlikely to develop because complex life is so unlikely to develop and survive.

Now given that we've only been here for 0.001% of our planet's history, which is so say nothing of the history of other planets and that any species has a very short lifespan, if in the unlikely case, intelligent life were to arise in another part of the galaxy, it would probably be before or after we existed.

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Post Re: Do you believe life exists on other planets?
I generally agree with you, Niall, that complex life (and hense intelligent life) is very rare in the universe. For a planet to be habitable at all is unlikely enough ... for it to also possess the stunning number of stabilizing factors that the Earth does will probably proove to be several orders of magnitude rarer. The universe is an inherently hostile and indifferent place as far as life is concerned.

However, I think your agrument leans dangerously close to anthropocentrism. Just because the emergence of homo sapiens as a sentient species is fantasically unlikely doesn't mean that the emergence of any sentient species is equally so.

Suppose, for example, that the dinosaurs had not died out. You are correct that their decendents would now dominate the Earth instead of humans ... but they might have well evolved a sentient species, and perhaps done so millions of years sooner than mammals did. Several "raptor" forms were well on their way to developing big brains at the end of the cretaceous; there is no reason that they couldn't have evolved towards intelligence.

You can go back even further: The permian extinction gave vertabrates a leg up on the arthropods, who had dominated the planet for millions of years. Without that event, it is unlikely that our ancestors would have ever developed beyond the level of fish. But the arthopods might well have produced a sentient species. And if you find it hard to imagine an intelligent being without a spinal cord, go to your local aquarium and ask them if they have any good octopus stories. Chances are they do, and you will be amazed.

My position is that we will find simple life - microbes and alge and such - to be fairly common; where a sizable planet exists in a water orbit, there will be icky bluish-green stuff growing on it. But complex organisims will be very, very rare. Perhaps one in a thousand habitable planets will be habitable enough for critters like plants and animals.

But I also think that where complex life develops, it will evolve towards intelligence. Being smart is just too huge of an evolutionary advantage for it not to. Yes, it takes a long time; the energy requirements of a large brain are severe and random chance assures there will always be pitfalls. But once it gets going, intelligence is the mother of all survival traits. Every other species is doomed to adapt to its environment over generations, but intelligent ones adapt the environment to better suit themselves. Barring disaster, a species that can achieve the level of using even the simplest tools has it made.

One unarmed cro-magnon was a joke to the mastadon, an ice-age survival machine if there ever was one. But tribes of cro-magnons with spears and fire hunted those woolly bastards into extinction in just a few thousand years. Intelligence wins ... game, set, and match.

Ultimately it's all a mental exercise until we can build starships, or SETI successfully tunes in to the Zeta Reticulan version of Jeopardy! (I'll take "Delicious Human Recipies" for 1000, Kodos!"). But it's a darn intersting topic, isn't it? A+ for this thread.


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Post Re: Do you believe life exists on other planets?
Greg, would intelligence akin to our own be not only a blessing but a curse? We are so close to making ourselves (and much of the life on our planet) extinct, through war, pollution etc.

Personally, I've always imagined that the single greatest enemy that any human will be micro-organisms, where intelligence is of limited use.

Just look at neanderthals.

I suppose more than anything, I think my point would be that we will probably never meet another intelligent species.

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