Diamonds Five Point Framework:

Mr. Pessimistic · Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:34 pm Post subject: Diamonds Five Point Framework:

Just fyi!

1 Environmental Damage

2 Climate Change

3 Hostile Neighbors

4 Friendly Neighbors

5 The Society’s Response to Environmental
Damage (or any other problems)

Of these, Diamond states that the first four are not always a factor to the society, the last always is. Always. Strong assertion. Lets see what he has to offer to back this up.

Environmental Damage:
Imprudence on behalf of the society
Fragility of Environment (forests, soil, population of game/abundance of food sources)

Climate Change:
Ice Ages
Overly dry/wet fluctuations
Output of the sun’s heat
Volcanic eruption
(present)Man made causes more
prevalent

Hostile Neighbors
Conflict & Aggression
Ecological or other collapse
masquerades as military defeat
(Example of Rome and the Barbarians)

Friendly Neighbors
Decreased support from
Defeat of by an aggressor
Collapse of

The Society’s Response to Environmental (or other) Damage
Response depends on political,
economic, and social institutions and
on cultural values

Mr. P.

The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P.

The pain in hell has two sides. The kind you can touch with your hand; the kind you can feel in your heart...Scorsese's "Mean Streets"

I came to kick ass and chew Bubble Gum...and I am all out of Bubble Gum - They Live, Roddy Piper

Edited by: Chris OConnor at: 4/21/05 6:55 pm

Mr. Pessimistic

I like the way that Diamond refers to his framework with every civilization studied. It helps with the consistency of the thesis and to make the study of each society more clear in my mind.

One area confuses me and that is the point of hostility and this only in regard to the Maya so far. Please refer to the Chapter 5 thread for my reasons why.

Mr. P.

The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P.

The pain in hell has two sides. The kind you can touch with your hand; the kind you can feel in your heart...Scorsese's "Mean Streets"

I came to kick ass and chew Bubble Gum...and I am all out of Bubble Gum - They Live, Roddy Piper


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