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Ch. 8 - Unholy Trinity: Atheists, Reds, Darwinists

 
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:07 pm    Post subject: Ch. 8 - Unholy Trinity: Atheists, Reds, Darwinists Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 1:21 am    Post subject: Re: Ch. 8 - Unholy Trinity: Atheists, Reds, Darwinists Reply with quote
p230: Something really surprising here. That a minority of freethinkers were social conservatives influenced by Spencer. How could a freethinker end up anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic and wanting birth control to limit the number of the 'unfit'? To me this is just counterintuitive.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 1:26 am    Post subject: Re: Ch. 8 - Unholy Trinity: Atheists, Reds, Darwinists Reply with quote
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has even been contended that public authority with its dignity and power of ruling, originates not from God but from the mass of the people, which considering itself unfettered by all divine sanction, refuses to submit to any laws that it has not passed of its own free will


Well, not much we can say about mixing religion and politics that the pope hasn't said for us already.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 1:31 am    Post subject: Re: Ch. 8 - Unholy Trinity: Atheists, Reds, Darwinists Reply with quote
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But Jews still avoided taking an active role in any political or social movement, including freethought, that might have presented them in an unfavorable light to their gentile neighbors. This was true even of someone as prominent as Felix Adler, the founder of the Society for Ethical Culture, who certainly qualified as a kissing cousing fo native freethinkers like Ingersoll.


Huh? Adler said that religion was a failure. He started his own group to make up for this failure. This is almost as inflamitory as Joseph Smith saying that the legitimacy of religion was lost until the mormons came around. How is that avoiding something that gentiles woudl find favorable in a jew?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Ch. 8 - Unholy Trinity: Atheists, Reds, Darwinists Reply with quote
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With the Bolshevik Revolution...American antisecularist crusaders could point to a Moscow address as headquarters of the conspiracy against American religious values.


Of course. Quick to point the finger to draw false analogies. Yet, mention Timothy McVeigh and Xtianity in the same sentence and look at how Xtians are quick to disavow his actions as Xtian...how he is NOT representative of Xtianity's horseshit.


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Most [freethinkers] were extremely suspicious of both doctrinaire socialism and communism - although atheists and agnostics were frequently called socialists, communists, or anarchists by conservatives who prefaced every group they disliked with the adjective 'atheist'.


We still see some of this...as GHWB said not so long ago..."No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God." And this divisiveness is even more potent under the current administration, what with Rove and his knack for character assassination (and not ONLY toward atheists).

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Ch. 8 - Unholy Trinity: Atheists, Reds, Darwinists Reply with quote
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[it] has even been contended that public authority with its dignity and power of ruling, originates not from God but from the mass of the people, which considering itself unfettered by all divine sanction, refuses to submit to any laws that it has not passed of its own free will.


Help...I do not see the problem here. The real joke is, considering that all religion and gods are products of the mind of man...we have indeed devised EVERY law on our own!

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 10:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Ch. 8 - Unholy Trinity: Atheists, Reds, Darwinists Reply with quote
You're comment about what Daddy Bush said answers your question you asked in the chapter 7 thread: "Why does it still persist that atheists, et al, can not feel emotionally or aesthetically about things as theists or others of faith feel? Why is it always called into question?"

People in the highest of positions saying things like what Bush Sr. said keeps those illusions alive.

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