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irishrosem 
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 Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 10:14 am Post subject: Re: "Government Sponsored Prayer"
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Mr. P.: If you see a symptom, you need to cure the disease. If we ignore the symptoms, we are asking for trouble.
I understand what you’re saying, Mr.P; I agree that the issue warrants attention. Prayer before congressional meetings just is not my focus. I don’t intend to ignore those symptoms, but treating symptoms is just that…treating symptoms. If I have the flu and I take cough syrup to ease my cough, then my cough will go away. But the flu is still there, eliciting other symptoms. Stopping congresspeople from praying before meetings does only that much. However, stopping congresspeople from legislating according to their religious belief garners better results in treating the disease. And the treatment of the actual disease could help to alleviate other symptoms.
(BTW, just to clarify this metaphor, by “disease” I mean an intentional commingling of religion and government.)
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George Ricker
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 6:13 pm Post subject: Re: Military Chaplains
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Rose: Notably mentioned in the speech was the proselytizing and the militant aggression utilized for evangelical purposes. Although, I don't know if this was a product of the chaplains' actions or other military officials...
Yes, I've seen similar reports in other places. There seems to be an effort to Christianize America's armed forces. I'm sure some chaplains are probably involved, although I imagine many are as Frank describes them -- more in the "Father Mulcahey" model, if you remember M*A*S*H.
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irishrosem
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 6:55 pm Post subject: Re: Military Chaplains
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Garicker: ...if you remember M*A*S*H.
Heh...nope. That was a bit before my time. |
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Frank 013
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 7:26 pm Post subject: Re: Military Chaplains
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I feel it necessary to point out I have been out of the military for quite a while, I mustered out shortly after Desert Storm. There has been ample time for changes since then.
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irishrosem
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 9:25 am Post subject: Re: Military Chaplains
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Tee hee. I couldn’t resist. Now that I’m starting to feel older, I take every opportunity to pretend I’m still young. In truth, I probably could have watch MASH in syndicate, but the t.v. wasn’t permitted to be on that much when I was a kid.
BTW, Mr.P., though I knew you must be a few years older than I, I had kind of placed us as contemporaries. Don't you have a young daughter? Isn't it weird how you start picturing the people that you talk to here?
Frank: There has been ample time for changes since then.
I don't see the military as especially open to rapid changes in its practices. However, I wonder if under the context of the current administration and the radical evangelicalism that it embraces, if the descriptions Weinstein gives are more possible. |
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George Ricker
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Mr. Pessimistic
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Don't you have a young daughter? Isn't it weird how you start picturing the people that you talk to here?
I do get mental pictures in my head sometimes...but I have been wrong before so I try not to presuppose...
I have 4 children...I am 37...not old, but I feel like I am 47 since I stopped exercising!
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I'm not saying it's usual for people to do those things but I(with the permission of God) have raised a dog from the dead and healed many people from all sorts of ailments. - Asana Boditharta (former booktalk troll)
The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P.
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