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The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins
Ch. 2 - The replicators



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Now they swarm in huge colonies, safe inside gigantic lumbering robots, sealed off from the outside world, communicating with it by tortorous, indirect routes, manipulating it by remote control. They are in you and me; they created us, body and mind; and their preservation is the ultimate rationale for our existence. They have come a long way, these replicators. Now they go by the name of genes, and we are their survival machines.


If you were ever wondering about the meaning of life, well here it is. We are temporary, disposable survival machines for our genes!


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Chapter Two of The Selfish Gene, titled The Replicators, is a fantastic explanation of how the law of evolution is a central principle of natural systems. Dawkins explains how replication can operate within non-living chemical systems, as a precursor for the emergence of life. The general law is ‘the survival of the stable’. This is an extremely elegant theory, showing how natural selection enables simplicity to change into complexity through the grouping of unordered atoms: “Before the coming of life on earth, some rudimentary evolution of molecules could have occurred by ordinary processes of physics and chemistry. There is no need to think of design or purpose or directedness. If a group of atoms in the presence of energy falls into a stable pattern it will tend to stay that way.” (p14)

Emergence of a replicator, a chemical that makes copies of itself, is highly unlikely. However, here Dawkins makes a key point. The early earth had an extremely long time in which such unlikely events could occur. Over the four billion years of life our human timescales are virtually instantaneous. Over the first one hundred million years, a replicator only had to arise once, providing a base from which further complexity including life could evolve.

Genetic copying has three main properties – longevity, fecundity and fidelity. Any replicator which is superior against these properties will tend to expand by natural selection. Dawkins says the early molecules were our founding fathers (p20) and although not conscious or even alive, were in competitive struggle for existence and stability. He speculates that life emerged as these survival machines competed and built protective measures for themselves, evolving into genes.



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Here's something I think correlates to this chapter. Some scientists were able to create RNA in a synthesis of early-earth conditions. I remember hearing about this a couple of months ago and if I understand Dawkins correctly this would be one possible form of the first replicator he talks about on pg. 15.

Dawkins: "At some point a particularly remarkable molecule was formed by accident. We will call it the Replicator. It may not necessarily have been the biggest or most complex molecule around, but it had the extraordinary property of being able to copy itself."

from NatureNews . . .

RNA world easier to make

An elegant experiment has quashed a major objection to the theory that life on Earth originated with molecules of RNA.

John Sutherland and his colleagues from the University of Manchester, UK, created a ribonucleotide, a building block of RNA, from simple chemicals under conditions that might have existed on the early Earth.

The feat, never performed before, bolsters the 'RNA world' hypothesis, which suggests that life began when RNA, a polymer related to DNA that can duplicate itself and catalyse reactions, emerged from a prebiotic soup of chemicals.

"This is extremely strong evidence for the RNA world. We don't know if these chemical steps reflect what actually happened, but before this work there were large doubts that it could happen at all," says Donna Blackmond, a chemist at Imperial College London.

Molecular choreography

An RNA polymer is a string of ribonucleotides, each made up of three distinct parts: a ribose sugar, a phosphate group and a base — either cytosine or uracil, known as pyrimidines, or the purines guanine or adenine. Imagining how such a polymer might have formed spontaneously, chemists had thought the subunits would probably assemble themselves first, then join to form a ribonucleotide. But even in the controlled atmosphere of a laboratory, efforts to connect ribose and base together have met with frustrating failure.

The Manchester researchers have now managed to synthesise both pyrimidine ribonucleotides. Their remedy is to avoid producing separate ribose-sugar and base subunits. Instead, Sutherland's team makes a molecule whose scaffolding contains a bond that will turn out to be the key ribose-base connection. Further atoms are then added around this skeleton, which unfurls to create the ribonucleotide.

The final connection is to add a phosphate group. But that phosphate, although only a reactant in the final stages of the sequence, influences the entire synthesis, Sutherland's team showed. By buffering acidity and acting as a catalyst, it guides small organic molecules into making the right connections.

"We had a suspicion there was something good out there, but it took us 12 years to find it," Sutherland says. "What we have ended up with is molecular choreography, where the molecules are unwitting choreographers." Next, he says, he expects to make purine ribonucleotides using a similar approach.

The start of something special?

Although Sutherland has shown that it is possible to build one part of RNA from small molecules, objectors to the RNA-world theory say the RNA molecule as a whole is too complex to be created using early-Earth geochemistry. "The flaw with this kind of research is not in the chemistry. The flaw is in the logic — that this experimental control by researchers in a modern laboratory could have been available on the early Earth," says Robert Shapiro, a chemist at New York University.

Sutherland points out that the sequence of steps he uses is consistent with early-Earth scenarios — those involving methods such as heating molecules in water, evaporating them and irradiating them with ultraviolet light. And breaking RNA's synthesis down into small, laboratory-controlled steps is merely a pragmatic starting point, he says, adding that his team also has results showing that they can string nucleotides together, once they have formed. "My ultimate goal is to get a living system (RNA) emerging from a one-pot experiment. We can pull this off. We just need to know what the constraints on the conditions are first."

Shapiro sides with supporters of another theory of life's origins – that because RNA is too complex to emerge from small molecules, simpler metabolic processes, which eventually catalysed the formation of RNA and DNA, were the first stirrings of life on Earth.

"They're perfectly entitled to disagree with us. But having got experimental results, we are on the high ground," says Sutherland.

"Ultimately, the challenge of prebiotic chemistry is that there is no way of validating historical hypotheses, however convincing an individual experiment," points out Steven Benner, who studies origin-of-life chemistry at the Foundation for Applied Molecular Evolution, a non-profit research centre in Gainesville, Florida.

Sutherland, though, hopes that ingenious organic chemistry might provide an RNA synthesis so convincing that it effectively serves as proof. "We might come up with something so coincidental that one would have to believe it," he says. "That is the goal of my career."




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Synthesis Of Activated Pyrimidine Ribonucleotides In Prebiotically Plausible Conditions by Matthew M. Powner, Béatrice Gerland and John D. Sutherland, Nature, 459: 239-242 (14th May 2009)


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Here's a youtube video related to this RNA experiment . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3idEEz0GEo


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geo wrote:
Dawkins wrote:
Now they swarm in huge colonies, safe inside gigantic lumbering robots, sealed off from the outside world, communicating with it by tortorous, indirect routes, manipulating it by remote control. They are in you and me; they created us, body and mind; and their preservation is the ultimate rationale for our existence. They have come a long way, these replicators. Now they go by the name of genes, and we are their survival machines.

If you were ever wondering about the meaning of life, well here it is. We are temporary, disposable survival machines for our genes!

You might be tongue-in-cheek here, but I like to keep entirely separate the aspects of meaning and however it happened that we came about. I think there are no implications for the meaning of our lives in the evolutionary process, and I sense that Dawkins thinks that way, too. (Would you agree?) The other reaction I have to Dawkins' summary is that it seems reductive, implying that we are only survival machines for our genes. Some people take offense at this, but actually this is an astounding statement, one fully worthy of the wonder and awe that are said to be an important part of religion.



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While I do agree that Dawkins sees meaning and how we came about as seperate, and that the previous poster was speaking somewhat tongue-in-cheek (but I'll let them answer that), I think that Dawkins explains his survival machine theory in such a way that it should not be viewed as reductionist, nor should it offend those that would take exception to his point of view. On more than one occasion Dawkins makes it a point to clarify that he does not mean to imply that we are simply empty vessels at the mercy of our genes, and that our emotions and other mental facilities enable us to make our own choices independent of what may be in the best interest of our genes.

I know I am not doing Dawkins explanation justice, but I think that sometimes it can be easy to confuse when Dawkins is speaking metaphorically with what he truly believes.



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bryamon wrote:
. . . .I think that Dawkins explains his survival machine theory in such a way that it should not be viewed as reductionist, nor should it offend those that would take exception to his point of view.


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You might be tongue-in-cheek here, but I like to keep entirely separate the aspects of meaning and however it happened that we came about. I think there are no implications for the meaning of our lives in the evolutionary process, and I sense that Dawkins thinks that way, too. (Would you agree?)


Yes. I am being tongue-in-cheek, but isn't it amazing to think about evolution from this perspective—the gene's? Disturbing in a way, but also very compelling to think how we came to be in such a purposeless fashion. Obviously we are not merely survival machines for our genes. We have consciousness and emotions and derive meaning from these things. Love is still profound and meaningful, yet we can also understand it in reductive terms to be a chemical reaction in the brain. Does that diminish it? Not to me it doesn't. And though I can see how some people can get upset from reading The Selfish Gene, I have to agree with Dawkins here . . .

"To accuse science of robbing life of the warmth that makes it worth living is so preposterously mistaken, so diametrically opposed to my own feelings and those of most working scientists , I am almost driven to the despair of which I am wrongly suspected." pg. xiii

If an understanding of evolution causes someone to lose sleep than probably their beliefs were on shaky ground in the first place. Looking at evolution from the perspective of the gene, I think, stretches your mind just a tiny bit, enough to make you say 'wow!'

By the way, I like how Dawkins creates a bit of suspense with that sentence I quoted. It ends Ch. 2 as a sort of cliffhanger. Interesting.


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Viewing the gene as the unit of evolution is expansive, not reductionist. A key agenda in The Selfish Gene is to expand people's vision towards an accurate geological perception of time. If we see things that are more permanent and stable as having more reality than things which come and go in a moment, we can start to see what he is getting at. For example the solar system has existed for over four billion years, about 500,000 years for each year of human civilization. Many of our genes have been around for nearly this long too, putting our attempts to reduce reality to the present moment into a big real context. Long after we are dead, our genes could be colonising the stars.

Jean Paul Sartre, in his book Being and Nothingness, founded existentialism on the false theory that only the present moment is real, summarised as 'existence precedes essence'. Dawkins' frame of reference, in an entirely empirical way, shows how the existential attitude is ridiculously arrogant. Dawkins is really opening us to true wonder - as Blake put it

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bryamon wrote:
I think that Dawkins explains his survival machine theory in such a way that it should not be viewed as reductionist, nor should it offend those that would take exception to his point of view.

Right, I used the word "reductive" in order to avoid the more negative connotation of "reductionist." As I understand the method of science, it does seek to reduce explanations of phenomena to the most elemental units and is therefore reductive--but this is a strength. The compact summary or theory that results from all the scientific work can then be unpacked to reveal its actual richness of content. This is what Dawkins is doing for us throughout the book.



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Yes. I am being tongue-in-cheek, but isn't it amazing to think about evolution from this perspective—the gene's? Disturbing in a way, but also very compelling to think how we came to be in such a purposeless fashion. ... Looking at evolution from the perspective of the gene, I think, stretches your mind just a tiny bit, enough to make you say 'wow!'.

Stretching your mind is exactly the right metaphor to use. If we can manage to stretch our minds (takes effort and imagination; I haven't achieved it yet), we can then wrap our minds around the concepts Dawkins is teaching. Just like physical stretching, mental stretching can be uncomfortable, as you say, and this is partly why so many people would prefer not to do it.



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Robert Tulip wrote:
Jean Paul Sartre, in his book Being and Nothingness, founded existentialism on the false theory that only the present moment is real, summarised as 'existence precedes essence'. Dawkins' frame of reference, in an entirely empirical way, shows how the existential attitude is ridiculously arrogant. Dawkins is really opening us to true wonder - as Blake put it

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Robert, the post answering Bryamon above, may explain why I used the word reductive. I'm not sure about your put-down of existentialism, will have to think about it. But your use of the Blake quotation is very apt for what Dawkins is doing.



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DWill wrote:
Robert Tulip wrote:
Jean Paul Sartre, in his book Being and Nothingness, founded existentialism on the false theory that only the present moment is real, summarised as 'existence precedes essence'. Dawkins' frame of reference, in an entirely empirical way, shows how the existential attitude is ridiculously arrogant. Dawkins is really opening us to true wonder - as Blake put it

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Robert, the post answering Bryamon above, may explain why I used the word reductive. I'm not sure about your put-down of existentialism, will have to think about it. But your use of the Blake quotation is very apt for what Dawkins is doing.


Bill, I've always regarded the word reductive as a put-down of science by mysticism. You might recall we discussed Unweaving the Rainbow here at Booktalk, in which Dawkins argues that Newton's reduction of light by the prism to its rainbow components is a more expansive way to understand than Newton's critics who said scientific understanding detracts from the mystery of the whole.

I don't agree with your earlier characterisation of Dawkins and de Waal as seeking to shoulder philosophy aside with zoology. It is not about 'reducing' ideas to facts, but rather more a recognition that true ideas are based on facts, so philosophy should be based on zoology. They are providing a foundation for systematic thinking, not asking people not to think. Sartre is a good example of a philosopher who was ignorant of zoology, and who produced an idealist vision which responded to his context but was not well grounded in reality. Zoology provides the 'shoulders of giants' (in Newtons' term) upon which philosophy can be constructed. Who Dawkins is 'shouldering aside' is not the philosophers but the creationists and others who refuse to base their opinions on evidence.



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Bill, I've always regarded the word reductive as a put-down of science by mysticism. You might recall we discussed Unweaving the Rainbow here at Booktalk, in which Dawkins argues that Newton's reduction of light by the prism to its rainbow components is a more expansive way to understand than Newton's critics who said scientific understanding detracts from the mystery of the whole.

I don't agree with your earlier characterisation of Dawkins and de Waal as seeking to shoulder philosophy aside with zoology. It is not about 'reducing' ideas to facts, but rather more a recognition that true ideas are based on facts, so philosophy should be based on zoology. They are providing a foundation for systematic thinking, not asking people not to think. Sartre is a good example of a philosopher who was ignorant of zoology, and who produced an idealist vision which responded to his context but was not well grounded in reality. Zoology provides the 'shoulders of giants' (in Newtons' term) upon which philosophy can be constructed. Who Dawkins is 'shouldering aside' is not the philosophers but the creationists and others who refuse to base their opinions on evidence.

I wasn't around when Unweaving the Rainbow was discussed. I'll put it on my (long) list, though, and I do agree with Dawkins' view. When I said that De Waal and Dawkins wanted to shoulder philosophy aside (as De Waal stated), I was thinking of philosophy as it has existed, not philosophy as it "should" exist, a philosophy grounded in the facts of zoology and other natural science. I'm far from being able to accurately characterize current philosophy, but my impression, for what that is worth, is that philosophy pursues a largely independent agenda. You might be more up to speed on this than I.



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People might like to read this review of Unweaving The Rainbow I posted at Booktalk in 2003.



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Lost Memory of Skin: A Novel by Russell BanksThe Structure of Scientific Revolutions by Thomas S. KuhnHobbes: Leviathan by Thomas HobbesThe House of the Spirits - by Isabel AllendeArguably: Essays by Christopher HitchensThe Falls: A Novel (P.S.) by Joyce Carol OatesChrist in Egypt by D.M. MurdockThe Glass Bead Game: A Novel by Hermann HesseA Devil's Chaplain by Richard DawkinsThe Hero with a Thousand Faces by Joseph CampbellThe Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor DostoyevskyThe Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark TwainThe Moral Landscape by Sam HarrisThe Decameron by Giovanni BoccaccioThe Road by Cormac McCarthyThe Grand Design by Stephen HawkingThe Evolution of God by Robert WrightThe Tin Drum by Gunter GrassGood Omens by Neil GaimanPredictably Irrational by Dan ArielyThe Wind-Up Bird Chronicle: A Novel by Haruki MurakamiALONE: Orphaned on the Ocean by Richard Logan & Tere Duperrault FassbenderDon Quixote by Miguel De CervantesMusicophilia by Oliver SacksDiary of a Madman and Other Stories by Nikolai GogolThe Passion of the Western Mind by Richard TarnasThe Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula K. Le GuinThe Genius of the Beast by Howard BloomAlice's Adventures in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll Empire of Illusion by Chris HedgesThe Sound and the Fury by William Faulkner The Extended Phenotype by Richard DawkinsSmoke and Mirrors by Neil GaimanThe Selfish Gene by Richard DawkinsWhen Good Thinking Goes Bad by Todd C. RinioloHouse of Leaves by Mark Z. DanielewskiAmerican Gods: A Novel by Neil GaimanPrimates and Philosophers by Frans de WaalThe Enormous Room by E.E. CummingsThe Picture of Dorian Gray by Oscar WildeGod Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything by Christopher HitchensThe Name of the Rose by Umberto Eco Dreams From My Father by Barack Obama Paradise Lost by John Milton Bad Money by Kevin PhillipsThe Secret Garden by Frances Hodgson BurnettGodless: How an Evangelical Preacher Became One of America's Leading Atheists by Dan BarkerThe Things They Carried by Tim O'BrienThe Limits of Power by Andrew BacevichLolita by Vladimir NabokovOrlando by Virginia Woolf On Being Certain by Robert A. Burton50 reasons people give for believing in a god by Guy P. HarrisonWalden: Or, Life in the Woods by Henry David ThoreauExile and the Kingdom by Albert CamusOur Inner Ape by Frans de WaalYour Inner Fish by Neil ShubinNo Country for Old Men by Cormac McCarthyThe Age of American Unreason by Susan JacobyTen Theories of Human Nature by Leslie Stevenson & David HabermanHeart of Darkness by Joseph ConradThe Stuff of Thought by Stephen PinkerA Thousand Splendid Suns by Khaled HosseiniThe Lucifer Effect by Philip ZimbardoResponsibility and Judgment by Hannah ArendtInterventions by Noam ChomskyGodless in America by George A. RickerReligious Expression and the American Constitution by Franklyn S. HaimanDeep Economy by Phil McKibbenThe God Delusion by Richard DawkinsThe Third Chimpanzee by Jared DiamondThe Woman in the Dunes by Abe KoboEvolution vs. Creationism by Eugenie C. ScottThe Omnivore's Dilemma by Michael PollanI, Claudius by Robert GravesBreaking The Spell by Daniel C. DennettA Peace to End All Peace by David FromkinThe Time Traveler's Wife by Audrey NiffeneggerThe End of Faith by Sam HarrisEnder's Game by Orson Scott CardThe Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time by Mark HaddonValue and Virtue in a Godless Universe by Erik J. WielenbergThe March by E. L DoctorowThe Ethical Brain by Michael GazzanigaFreethinkers: A History of American Secularism by Susan JacobyCollapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed by Jared DiamondThe Battle for God by Karen ArmstrongThe Future of Life by Edward O. WilsonWhat is Good? by A. C. GraylingCivilization and Its Enemies by Lee HarrisPale Blue Dot by Carl SaganHow We Believe: Science, Skepticism, and the Search for God by Michael ShermerLooking for Spinoza by Antonio DamasioLies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them by Al FrankenThe Red Queen by Matt RidleyThe Blank Slate by Stephen PinkerUnweaving the Rainbow by Richard DawkinsAtheism: A Reader edited by S.T. JoshiGlobal Brain by Howard BloomThe Lucifer Principle by Howard BloomGuns, Germs and Steel by Jared DiamondThe Demon-Haunted World by Carl SaganBury My Heart at Wounded Knee by Dee BrownFuture Shock by Alvin Toffler

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